O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

I have no idea what he is talking about. I don't think he does. My suspicion is that he is simply parroting Bridgen. The clue for that is where he talks about ‘young and previously healthy people are dying at home from cardiac-related events, and we do not know why’ without establishing whether that is actually the case over and above the way it has always happened.
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I have no idea what data has been realised to Pfizer. Do you?

Davies was talking about the MHRA as opposed to ONS. I don’t know if he’s been made aware of the ONS data that shows lower all-cause mortality in the vaccinated – it doesn’t get trumpeted very much on Twitter. Too inconvenient, I imagine.

With the greatest of respect, are you qualified to criticise or abuse the ONS for the manner in which they refined the excess death data? Do you think adjusting it to account for an ageing population is the wrong approach? On what basis?

Would it satisfy you if the MHRA did a massive date dump on the internet - a spreadsheet with hundreds of thousand of pages, or would you wait for analysis by the likes of Bridgen, Dr Campbell or 'Died Suddenly' to 'inform' you about what it shows?

The MHRA is a public body. It is subject to the Freedom of Information Act, so make a request if you want the documents. You will have to be a bit more specific than the ‘certain data sets’ that Davies referred to.

MPs are as capable of talking crap as you or I. Indeed, some might think that many of them have made a career out of it

My suspicion is that the numbers are being manipulated.
I don’t know the details.
His tone seemed different to Bridgen.
The MHRA is a public body but it’s been said that it’s funded more by phama that the government so is more of a facilitator now. This has lead to the head of it stepping down.
I’d like a neutral body set up to look at the figures on the publics behalf. This will lead to the politicians not being able to talk crap as you say it.

I don’t see your problem with that. If it proves that I have been wrong then I have my answer.

Would that not be what you want?

[KerrAvon]

So, the bottom line is that you choose to believe that the ONS have manipulated the data but have no idea how it was done and on the face of it, have no argument to make about why it should not be age adjusted to take into account the ageing population. Am I missing something with that?

With respect, that is not every attractive position to be in. The article by Professor Heneghan that you linked to last week included his view that the amendment to the ONS data was ‘long overdue’ or similar. Do you disagree with that despite posting the link?

I’m not sure whether I have posted a link to this video before, but there is certain degree of circulatory (no pun intended) about the thread. Please view it as I have afforded the same courtesy to the various videos that you have linked to. You will see that the data sets that are being talked about are indeed patient level. With that being the position, I’m not surprised that it isn’t being handed over. If the MHRA gives my personal data to the likes of Bridgen, they will receive a writ from me shortly afterwards;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYx1euSfTXw

The MHRA is part funded by a levy set by HM Treasury on the pharma companies that uses its services. In other words, pharma companies have to pay a fee when they seek approval for a drug or product. What’s wrong with that? Are you saying that HM Passport agency shouldn’t be funded by fees from people who apply to have passport applications assessed or that the DVSA should not be funded by fees from people who apply for driving tests? It’s the same thing

The funding for the MHRA is set by the Treasury not the MHRA. The current head is stepping down after 5 years, which is good innings in such a role. I have seen nothing to suggest that it is based upon any concerns about how the agency has been run.

The ONS data shows that the unvaccinated have a lower all-cause mortality than the vaccinated, which indicates that they are not a factor in the excess death phenomena. I don’t wish to be unkind but the irresistible conclusion to draw from your posts is that you want investigation after investigation and analysis after analysis until you find one that support your beliefs.

We can spend public money on independent reviews , but any conclusion that does not support the antivax position will immediately be pulled down on Twitter because ‘the chair of the panel has a dog called Bill, which must be reference to Bill Gates’ or some such similar cobblers.

[frogmiller]

So, the bottom line is that you choose to believe that the ONS have manipulated the data but have no idea how it was done and on the face of it, have no argument to make about why it should not be age adjusted to take into account the ageing population. Am I missing something with that?

With respect, that is not every attractive position to be in. The article by Professor Heneghan that you linked to last week included his view that the amendment to the ONS data was ‘long overdue’ or similar. Do you disagree with that despite posting the link?

I’m not sure whether I have posted a link to this video before, but there is certain degree of circulatory (no pun intended) about the thread. Please view it as I have afforded the same courtesy to the various videos that you have linked to. You will see that the data sets that are being talked about are indeed patient level. With that being the position, I’m not surprised that it isn’t being handed over. If the MHRA gives my personal data to the likes of Bridgen, they will receive a writ from me shortly afterwards;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYx1euSfTXw

The MHRA is part funded by a levy set by HM Treasury on the pharma companies that uses its services. In other words, pharma companies have to pay a fee when they seek approval for a drug or product. What’s wrong with that? Are you saying that HM Passport agency shouldn’t be funded by fees from people who apply to have passport applications assessed or that the DVSA should not be funded by fees from people who apply for driving tests? It’s the same thing

The funding for the MHRA is set by the Treasury not the MHRA. The current head is stepping down after 5 years, which is good innings in such a role. I have seen nothing to suggest that it is based upon any concerns about how the agency has been run.

The ONS data shows that the unvaccinated have a lower all-cause mortality than the vaccinated, which indicates that they are not a factor in the excess death phenomena. I don’t wish to be unkind but the irresistible conclusion to draw from your posts is that you want investigation after investigation and analysis after analysis until you find one that support your beliefs.

We can spend public money on independent reviews , but any conclusion that does not support the antivax position will immediately be pulled down on Twitter because ‘the chair of the panel has a dog called Bill, which must be reference to Bill Gates’ or some such similar cobblers.

I expected a shorter yes I see a problem or no I agree with you and don't have a having the data checked by experts.

It's that simple a question but the best defence is to confuse.

[Eternal Optimist]

Pfizer documented evidence unearthed here;

https://twitter.com/karma44921039/st...61954893402535

[frogmiller]

There have been many developments and many new studies based on the mNRA vaccine from all over the world. I haven't been posting them but this one is I think important as Andrew Bridgen was dismissed on this thread for being anti-semitic and that he was a failing MP after being kicked out of the Conservative party for being anti-semitic.


Matt Hancock loses bid to have Andrew Bridgen's libel claim thrown out of High Court.

An update on my libel case against former Health Secretary Matt Hancock.

https://standard.co.uk/news/uk/matt-hancock-andrew-bridgen-high-court-london-twitter-b1146480.html

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Mar 20, 2024


Andrew Bridgen MP

My Statement on the case:

"Mr Bridgen welcomes the decision of Mrs Justice Steyn to allow this important case to continue to a trial. A strike out is a high-risk strategy often used by defendants who are worried about the prospect of a trial, and in this case it failed, thus making clear that there is nothing wrong with the substance of the claim.

On the point in question, the Court said at [75] that “the pleading is not only capable of being cured, it is highly likely that the claimant would have little difficulty establishing reference innuendo”. having noted at [70] the “numerous replies on Twitter to the defendant’s Tweet which indicate that the reader was aware that it was about the Claimant.

At [79] the court also rejected the argument that the pleading was circular, noting that Mr Hancock’s choice of question could give rise to an inference that he anticipated readers would know exactly who it was about.

The tweet Mr Bridgen put out regarding vaccine harms and excess deaths in January 2023 which resulted in his expulsion from the Conservative Party was not just not anti-semitic, it was true and based on evidence, evidence which gets stronger by the day.

Mr Bridgen hopes the Government will take note of this Judgment and suspend the experimental, emergency use mRNA vaccines with immediate effect."

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Andrew Bridgen MP

[Eternal Optimist]

He's a very brave man.

[frogmiller]

He's a very brave man.

They’ve been calling him a conspiracy theorist since he start complaining about the Horizon system at the Post Office.

There’s a group including a retired police officer from Birmingham that have put together evidence and submitted it to the police and MI5. Apparently there is a police report number that was given by the MET back in 2021 for misconduct in office among other things.

[KerrAvon]

They’ve been calling him a conspiracy theorist since he start complaining about the Horizon system at the Post Office.

There’s a group including a retired police officer from Birmingham that have put together evidence and submitted it to the police and MI5. Apparently there is a police report number that was given by the MET back in 2021 for misconduct in office among other things.

I always thought Hancock's strike out application was ambitious, but the trial will be a different thing altogether. To succeed, Bridgen would have to prove that Hancock caused serious harm to his reputation.

Good luck with that would be my advice.

You are talking about Mark ***ton. He's spent the last three years presenting 'evidence' of his conspiracy theory beliefs to anyone unfortunate enough to be working on the front desk at the police station that he attends. I've got a theory that senior officers give the job of talking to him to junior members of staff as a joke.

His 'evidence' is generally politely accepted and filed in the bin. Given his claim to have 'irrefutable evidence' of crimes up to and including murder I've often wondered why he doesn't launch a private prosecution.

***ton is into chem-trails, so he's obviously completely rationale.

[frogmiller]

I always thought Hancock's strike out application was ambitious, but the trial will be a different thing altogether. To succeed, Bridgen would have to prove that Hancock caused serious harm to his reputation.

Good luck with that would be my advice.

You are talking about Mark ***ton. He's spent the last three years presenting 'evidence' of his conspiracy theory beliefs to anyone unfortunate enough to be working on the front desk at the police station that he attends. I've got a theory that senior officers give the job of talking to him to junior members of staff as a joke.

His 'evidence' is generally politely accepted and filed in the bin. Given his claim to have 'irrefutable evidence' of crimes up to and including murder I've often wondered why he doesn't launch a private prosecution.

***ton is into chem-trails, so he's obviously completely rationale.

It’s brilliant how you can justify your reasoning.
You, yourself called Bridgen out for what the conservatives took the whip away from for so on that basis alone I would say that Hancock has influenced your thinking.

How does that fit?

[frogmiller]

What are these chem trails you talk about? What does that have to do with Covid?

[KerrAvon]

It’s brilliant how you can justify your reasoning.
You, yourself called Bridgen out for what the conservatives took the whip away from for so on that basis alone I would say that Hancock has influenced your thinking.

How does that fit?

I don't understand the point you're making.

I've never called Bridgen an antisemite, which is what Hancock accused him of being and the reason why the Tories withdrew the whip.

Personally I'd question whether comparing the Covid vaccine roll out to the Holocaust was antisemitic. If Hancock had called it crass insensitive cobblers I'd be fully with him and he would be able to run the defence of 'fair comment' to Bridgen's libel action.

[KerrAvon]

What are these chem trails you talk about? What does that have to do with Covid?

I don't talk about chem trails. Your retired police officer from Birmingham does.

[KerrAvon]

He's not a fan of 5G either!

[Eternal Optimist]

***ton is into chem-trails, so he's obviously completely rationale.

Here's a DECC response to an FOI request. Their answers are guarded but they admit that cloud seeding/chem trails are happening.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ud_seeding.pdf

[frogmiller]

I don't talk about chem trails. Your retired police officer from Birmingham does.

No one else as mentioned chem trails but you!

You post ‘your retired police officer from Birmingham’ instead referring to as ‘the’ he has nothing to do with me. Did you mean to devalue my post?

You said ‘***ton is into chem-trails, so he's obviously completely rationale.’
You used the term to devalue the policeman I referred to. The policeman of which you knew the name of.
My recollection is that in a much earlier post that bridgen was called a failing politician and that he’d been kicked out of the Tory party for being an antisemite

Do you believe everything that the government or authorities say? It’s seeming that you do.

Quite bizarre!