O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[ragingpup]

Understandable. No one wants to admit that they've been duped.

This just isn't true, there's no shame in being duped, especially by huge corporations that are in league with msm. I would have no problem being proven wrong and hold my hands up. **** knows I've done it many times! But I still am seeing only very questionable, dubious links to much evidence for the cases you're presenting.

[Eternal Optimist]

This just isn't true, there's no shame in being duped, especially by huge corporations that are in league with msm. I would have no problem being proven wrong and hold my hands up. **** knows I've done it many times! But I still am seeing only very questionable, dubious links to much evidence for the cases you're presenting.

You're right, and I apologise for the dodgy phrasing.

I should have said most people don't want to accept that they've been duped.

Keep asking the questions, raging.

[frogmiller]

Who is deciding what the facts are, Brin?

This thread has pitted peer reviewed science against anecdotes, half truths and deliberate untruths that are peddled on the likes of Twitter and Rumble.

Sorry,

But Twitter now known as X or rumble don’t peddle untruths. They are platforms that are still open for individuals to peddle free speech and opinions that are opposed to the narratives supplied by governments, organisations and authorities that are unelected and financed by individuals or companies that only have their own interest at heart.

This is opposed to the fact checkers that are funded by the very people the free people are denounced as conspiracy theorists.

You mentioned half truths so that leave an element of doubt thus you’re not sure!

More and more people are rejecting the mNRA vaccines and consider them as being dangerous to their health.
The truth Brin is suggesting is that they’re doing this because they know people that have been harmed by someone and the only common denominator is the mNRA vaccine that they were coerced I too having.

[crashbang]

Everyone dies, but frog thinks ah he had a COVID vaccine.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

I've noticed there are more complications from the mRNA jab when folks have it on a windy day

[KerrAvon]

Sorry,

But Twitter now known as X or rumble don’t peddle untruths. They are platforms that are still open for individuals to peddle free speech and opinions that are opposed to the narratives supplied by governments, organisations and authorities that are unelected and financed by individuals or companies that only have their own interest at heart.

This is opposed to the fact checkers that are funded by the very people the free people are denounced as conspiracy theorists.

You mentioned half truths so that leave an element of doubt thus you’re not sure!

More and more people are rejecting the mNRA vaccines and consider them as being dangerous to their health.
The truth Brin is suggesting is that they’re doing this because they know people that have been harmed by someone and the only common denominator is the mNRA vaccine that they were coerced I too having.

So are you claiming that everything posted on Twitter and Rumble is true? You surely can't be?

So if you are able to accept that not everything posted on Twitter and Rumble (and the internet generally) is true and you reject the notion of fact checking, how are you deciding what is true and what isn't? Gut feeling? Believing what you want to believe? No harm in that, but be careful where it takes you.

There are certainly half truths posted on Twitter etc. - on this thread I've pointed out instances where information has been posted out of context so as to create a false impression.

When deciding what Brin meant, you seem to be relying on anecdotes about people being harmed. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I'm reasonably gregarious (and I don't go round asking people about their vaccination status), but I'm yet to meet anyone who believes that they were harmed by the vaccines. In my experience of the internet however, I see antivaxxers claiming to know several such people.

Perhaps knowing an antivaxxer is a risk factor along with windy days?

But let's cut to the chase - three and a half years and around 13.5 billion doses into the use of covid vaccines can you point to a piece of peer reviewed science that indicates that the risk of their use outweighs the benefit?

[frogmiller]

So are you claiming that everything posted on Twitter and Rumble is true? You surely can't be?

So if you are able to accept that not everything posted on Twitter and Rumble (and the internet generally) is true and you reject the notion of fact checking, how are you deciding what is true and what isn't? Gut feeling? Believing what you want to believe? No harm in that, but be careful where it takes you.

There are certainly half truths posted on Twitter etc. - on this thread I've pointed out instances where information has been posted out of context so as to create a false impression.

When deciding what Brin meant, you seem to be relying on anecdotes about people being harmed. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I'm reasonably gregarious (and I don't go round asking people about their vaccination status), but I'm yet to meet anyone who believes that they were harmed by the vaccines. In my experience of the internet however, I see antivaxxers claiming to know several such people.

Perhaps knowing an antivaxxer is a risk factor along with windy days?

But let's cut to the chase - three and a half years and around 13.5 billion doses into the use of covid vaccines can you point to a piece of peer reviewed science that indicates that the risk of their use outweighs the benefit?

You’ll read anything into anything.

I can’t get rumble in France because they don’t have the same level of free speech here than they do in England.

Whether you agree with what people are saying is up to you.

My anecdote is a personal one! One of friends and of family that i believe have had their state of health changed after taking the mNRA vaccine.

Other people on this thread think the same as they have posted including Brin who said a friend of his had suffered.

Your experience not knowing anyone that has been injured by the vaccine could be your attitude to the possibility of people being injured. You have denounced most medical professionals on this thread that don’t follow the narrative.

I wouldn’t even consider talking to you about this face to face because of your inability to be open and the need of having me fact checked as we spoke.

[frogmiller]

The Daily Telegraph - 5th June 2024!

Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths

Experts call for more research into side effects and possible links to mortality rates

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/

[KerrAvon]

The Daily Telegraph - 5th June 2024!

Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths

Experts call for more research into side effects and possible links to mortality rates

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...excess-deaths/

I've read the article in the Telegraph and also the paper in the BMJ upon which it is 'based'.

I could bore you with my views, but this bloke says it better than me:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GoP33N4Qw8Q

As it is such weak science, I'm surprised that the BMJ published the paper on which the Telegraph article is based, but I guess everyone has a bad day at the office.

[frogmiller]

I've read the article in the Telegraph and also the paper in the BMJ upon which it is 'based'.

I could bore you with my views, but this bloke says it better than me:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GoP33N4Qw8Q

As it is such weak science, I'm surprised that the BMJ published the paper on which the Telegraph article is based, but I guess everyone has a bad day at the office.

Regardless whether it’s weak science or not. And your scientist who is an expert in communication puts it in another light the fact is that it has still been given the go ahead to be published and reported in the national press.

[ragingpup]

Regardless whether it’s weak science or not. And your scientist who is an expert in communication puts it in another light the fact is that it has still been given the go ahead to be published and reported in the national press.

THat's fair enough - the Telegraph has always taken a very impartial, balanced stance on pandemic reporting. The data must be robust.

[KerrAvon]

Regardless whether it’s weak science or not. And your scientist who is an expert in communication puts it in another light the fact is that it has still been given the go ahead to be published and reported in the national press.

The point is that it hasn't been reported in the national press - an interpretation of it has, which bears no resemblance to what is (and isn't) in the actual paper.

Who should we trust to interpret the paper? A holder of a PhD in Molecular Biology or a click-bait hunting journalist? That shouldn't be a difficult question to answer.

You could read the paper yourself - complete with the header now attached by the BMJ in which it calls out the mis-reporting of it in the press

[KerrAvon]

Or you could read the paper that compares vaccination rates and excess deaths in American states. Unsurprisingly excess deaths are higher in states with lower vaccination rates.

[frogmiller]

We'll all be dead one day!

[frogmiller]

https://x.com/Humanspective/status/1801155430284218619

AMPS Executive Dr Jeyanthi Kunadhasan rips into the Pfizer clinical trial data in the Excess Deaths Inquiry that just closed in the Australian Senate, revealing "UNDISCLOSED DEATHS"! This trial data formed the basis of the "largest Global vaccination trial ever" - Greg Hunt

Dr Jeyanthi Kunadhasan is a Peri-Operative Physician and a part of volunteer researchers involved with Daily Clout, that has investigated the publicly available documents, that formed the basis of the Pfizer BioNTech covid-19 vaccine approval

◻️"I'm one of the authors of the first peer reviewed papers [which] examined the original Pfizer covid-19 vaccine trial data".

◻️"More than 50% of the Australian population took Pfizer's mRNA vaccine"

◻️"There was a gross mis-representation of what was presented publicly"

◻️"Instead of the 6 x deaths publicly disclosed, for placebo to vaccinated, suggesting a benefit of vaccination, there were in fact 11 x deaths, with more deaths in the vaccinated arm, 6"

◻️"WE FOUND UNDISCLOSED DEATHS, especially in the vaccinated arm of this clinical trial, in contravention to legal and ethical obligations of trial sponsors"

"As a healthcare professional registered in Australia, I felt it was my ethical obligation, to inform the TGA, for possible breaches of good clinical practice"