O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[KerrAvon]

So Whitty was prepared to leave the health workers unvaccinated? He was prepared to have unvaccinated staff passing on the virus than having a fully vaccinated.

Or was the virus not that bad? And you agree with him. You agree that it was ok.
So he closed all the hospitals and people died from many other ailments. That was also ok because if the had had Covid within a certain period then the death could be appointed to Covid anyway.

Like I?ve said before and I?ll say again if I was in England during this period i would be dead. Another poster on here would have been dead.

Instead of mandating the vaccine on health staff they let people die whilst nurses danced in empty hospitals.

You can?t play for both teams Kerr!

Regarding Trump!
I disagree with the MNRA technology so I disagree with him on having it imported into cancer vaccines.

I do agree with him on other topics.

Again, I suggest that you watch Whitty’s testimony from the Inquiry. The passages taken totally out of context by those with a conspiracy mindset don’t really help. Watching what he actualy said will give you a better chance of understanding what he was saying.

Whitty's view was that seeking to mandate vaccination would be counterproductive for the reason set out above, which include the risk that seeking to mandate would drive vaccine hesitancy (which is an argument that I have made in this thread). In other words, he took the view that not mandating it might increase the uptake of the vaccine and by dint of that, avoid losing staff who were desperately needed at that time.

I don’t understand how you can make anything approaching valid criticism of that.

You seem to have misunderstood the position in respect of UK hospitals. They were never closed at any point. Elective and non-emergency work was stopped for a while, which would have been a pain for those waiting elective treatment, but a hospital cannot perform non-emergency surgery if the ICU beds needed to support that work are full of covid patients. Furthermore, the NHS had to ‘draw in its horns’, in the sense that anaesthetists in particular were committed to proving care to intubated patients and many nurses had to be re-purposed to support ICU staff.

Your comment about letting people die takes you to a new low point on this thread. Take a break from feeding your beliefs on Twitter and watch a bit of Dr Kevin Fong giving evidence at the Covid Inquiry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV3fjaQdAy4

If you are pressed for time, I’d suggest giving it 15 minutes from 20)00 onwards. His testimony accords with that given to me by two people involved in front line care at that time who I know very well and trust completely. That was the reality of the inside of the NHS at that time and your slurs are ill-informed and pathetic. You should reflect and then hang you head in shame, but with regret I fear that you are beyond that point.

[Eternal Optimist]

It's remarkable how many outlets controlled by the same people who've been raking it in from vaccines call out David Martin.

But the tills are still ringing at BlackRock, and for many, that's the most important thing.

[Spuddy Speight]

It's from the Summer of 2023.

Thanks

[frogmiller]

Again, I suggest that you watch Whitty’s testimony from the Inquiry. The passages taken totally out of context by those with a conspiracy mindset don’t really help. Watching what he actualy said will give you a better chance of understanding what he was saying.

Whitty's view was that seeking to mandate vaccination would be counterproductive for the reason set out above, which include the risk that seeking to mandate would drive vaccine hesitancy (which is an argument that I have made in this thread). In other words, he took the view that not mandating it might increase the uptake of the vaccine and by dint of that, avoid losing staff who were desperately needed at that time.

I don’t understand how you can make anything approaching valid criticism of that.

You seem to have misunderstood the position in respect of UK hospitals. They were never closed at any point. Elective and non-emergency work was stopped for a while, which would have been a pain for those waiting elective treatment, but a hospital cannot perform non-emergency surgery if the ICU beds needed to support that work are full of covid patients. Furthermore, the NHS had to ‘draw in its horns’, in the sense that anaesthetists in particular were committed to proving care to intubated patients and many nurses had to be re-purposed to support ICU staff.

Your comment about letting people die takes you to a new low point on this thread. Take a break from feeding your beliefs on Twitter and watch a bit of Dr Kevin Fong giving evidence at the Covid Inquiry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV3fjaQdAy4

If you are pressed for time, I’d suggest giving it 15 minutes from 20)00 onwards. His testimony accords with that given to me by two people involved in front line care at that time who I know very well and trust completely. That was the reality of the inside of the NHS at that time and your slurs are ill-informed and pathetic. You should reflect and then hang you head in shame, but with regret I fear that you are beyond that point.

I may hang my head in shame when you take yours out of your arse!

[Eternal Optimist]

Post of the day.

[Eternal Optimist]

I was shocked, I tell thee...

[Eternal Optimist]

If they're 'safe and effective' why on earth would Whitty do this?

[harpo88]

If they're 'safe and effective' why on earth would Whitty do this?

Maybe his judgement relies on more than reading headlines?

[harpo88]

Who were these so called advisers? What was their advice based on? Had they spoken before he ?silenced? them? What did ?silencing? mean in practice? What was their ethical view that wasn?t listened to? What other views did Whitty take into account? What were the risks of acting and not acting the way he did?

[mygiddypant]

I may hang my head in shame when you take yours out of your arse!

I see you still carry the role of moderator. So, is the above the considered view of a moderator? Are moderators encouraged/allowed to

abuse posters?

[frogmiller]

I see you still carry the role of moderator. So, is the above the considered view of a moderator? Are moderators encouraged/allowed to

abuse posters?

Get over it giddy! I am honestly not worth the weight of living free in your head.

It was something I wrote a long time ago and probably still within the conditions of the pandemic.

You may be able to find much worse things written on here by others if you only bothered to take the time to look.

If you do want to look further into the vaccines then feel free to look at the newly proposed vaccine mandate in the USA.
Things are changing including I think it is only one in ten NHS workers willingness to have the flu vaccine this year.

[Eternal Optimist]

'Long Covid', anyone?

[John2]

'Long Covid', anyone?

Very interesting.

If your idea of staying informed is recycling misrepresentative headlines from tweets that are nearly a year old, that’s not news. Sharing them without any awareness of how misleading that practice is only highlights your lack of basic information‑gathering literacy.

Some of you are being utterly misinformed and don't have a clue. No wonder we live in alternative realities.

[Eternal Optimist]

Hmm...

I agree on the 'alternative realities' comment.

It's hard to accept that we've all - all of us - been duped.

[harpo88]

Who were these so called advisers? What was their advice based on? Had they spoken before he ?silenced? them? What did ?silencing? mean in practice? What was their ethical view that wasn?t listened to? What other views did Whitty take into account? What were the risks of acting and not acting the way he did?

No thoughts EO? Oh, you just moved onto pasting another context-free and insight-free snippet.