OT Border Control State of Emergency

[ragingpup]

I wonder how complex the issue would be if we stopped the benefits and put them all in tents rather than hotels. Maybe stop giving the mobile phones and lap top, driving lessons etc. I think it would clear up the complexity pretty quickly.

What evidence is there that the state are giving AS laptops? This keeps getting mentioned by only ever seems to be a mate who followed them around and saw them on the phone/laptop/jacuzzi. Surely if the state were issuing money that is over and above what AS are entitled to, just the same as they get in all other euro countries, there are enough people desperate to prove it to be true to have revealed it. But it hasn't because it isn't.

[ragingpup]

Is rioting and burning down asylum centres considered a mandate to do something?

No

[Yak]

What evidence is there that the state are giving AS laptops? This keeps getting mentioned by only ever seems to be a mate who followed them around and saw them on the phone/laptop/jacuzzi. Surely if the state were issuing money that is over and above what AS are entitled to, just the same as they get in all other euro countries, there are enough people desperate to prove it to be true to have revealed it. But it hasn't because it isn't.

My family member works for the organisation supplying them.
That enough evidence?
They also get driving lessons and free gym etc.
it’s 100% true unless of course your part of the morning to see here brigade.

[frogmiller]

Or it could be that we have millions of displaced people coming throughout Europe, many of whom would risk their lives to get to a place where they want to claim asylum and it might be that it is simply difficult to stop that flow of people without military force which is currently against international law. Governments representing their people them have very difficult decisions in acting under that law. Some parties would like to suggest using military force and breaking international laws, and have stood for elections across Europe but as yet, haven't achieved power as the majority of people haven't voted for them on the back of those policies (except Hungary? ).

So conservatives and now Labour have never had the mandate from their people sufficient enough to act on such suggestions. I suspect that if Farage is looking likely to seriously challenge there will be enough Labour, lib dems, tory and all others that will tactically vote to stop them as currently I think the majority of people recognise the complexity of the situation and wouldn't have the appetite for extreme solutions such as escalating a military action against France etc which is where we'd end up on acting without international consent.

I?m leaving at this.

You chose Hungary as an example but what about all the Islamic nations taking in their fair share?

[ragingpup]

My family member works for the organisation supplying them.
That enough evidence?
They also get driving lessons and free gym etc.
it’s 100% true unless of course your part of the morning to see here brigade.

What's the name of the organisation that you say are being funded by the government to supply laptops and driving lessons to asylum seekers that are still awaiting their claims to be processed. My pals a journalist and keen to explore this

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https://www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-crisis-councils-spending-millions-playstations-dj-lessons-football-match-tickets

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[Yak]

What's the name of the organisation that you say are being funded by the government to supply laptops and driving lessons to asylum seekers that are still awaiting their claims to be processed. My pals a journalist and keen to explore this

Raging we’re not at school my mates a journalist my dads bigger than yours ffs.
I never said they are waiting for their claims to be processed. The luxury that awaits them is common knowledge hence BOTN post.
Get real it happens all the time I don’t need to name the organisation as I think you will find they are what us working taxpayers pay to the councils.

[Stovicmiller]

Like it?s been said put em in tents and give em **** all , then see how many come.

[ragingpup]

I?m leaving at this.

You chose Hungary as an example but what about all the Islamic nations taking in their fair share?

Not sure how we got to these points but do you mean what about Islamic nations not taking their share?

I had a double take at this as I always thought some predominantly Islamic nations take most of the world's refugees but looked it up:

For last 10 years up to 2025:

1. Iran - 3.75 million (Islam)
2. Turkey - 3.15 miliion (Islam)
3. Germany - 2.66 million (Christian)
4. Uganda - 1.65 million (Christian)
5. Pakistan - 1.58 million (Islam)
6. Chad - 1.24 million (Islam)
7. Russia - 1.22 million (Christian)
8. Ethiopia - 1 million (Christian/Islam)
9 Bangladesh - 984k (Muslim)
10. Poland - 980k (Catholic)

I think this is only data for people who have claimed asylum but gives an idea of where the majority of AS are headed, maioinly just based on nearness to warring countries

https://www.concern.org.uk/news/these-12-countries-hosted-most-refugees-2023?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22348177166&gbraid=0AAAAADk3QvmiLYvB_XfBfzTlEUMKbUMe6&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvajDBhCNARIsAEE29WoPom_PkbziewUOQWmN8Zbxg-ZE5fHvPEn5oGLcaafZFfxhnkKiy-AaAqjbEALw_wcB

[ragingpup]

Raging we?‚?’re not at school my mates a journalist my dads bigger than yours ffs.
I never said they are waiting for their claims to be processed. The luxury that awaits them is common knowledge hence BOTN post.
Get real it happens all the time I don?‚?’t need to name the organisation as I think you will find they are what us working taxpayers pay to the councils.

I've read the link and after investigating 110 councils in the UK, they have found seven that spent money on asylum seekers (but even then can't be bothered to give us the details such as whether this is on people granted asylum status (Staffs said they only funded these and therefore it was a programme of integration and skills building for employment). I can only assume likewise the 3 of these councils that invested larger monies into their successful asylum claimants (Croydon, Staffs and Bristol) were investing it in integration projects for successful claimants.

But then you have the so sad, sad, sad news that West Sus*** spent 300 quid on playstations (that really should be one playstation and even then must have got it from CEX!), 496 on yoga lessons, Denbighshire spending a whopping 500 quid on taking Asylum successes on a local footy stadium tour, and Bracknell spending £400 on practical driving lessons. So out of 110 councils they investigated they found three that prob have questions to answer but I think the answer is likely to be investing money on integrating sucvcessful asylum seekers (which could be legal from Ukraine, it won't give us the detail - of course it wort, it's GB News - it wants us to be angry, blamey and hateful.

So thanks for sending these but it answers nothing of your claim that you have family who is sending laptops to asylum seekers. I'm calling it *******s until you can send the name of the organisation and the council/organisation it is providing them to. It may then be seen that we have an organisation that is skilling up the successful refugees to contribute towards their local economy in jobs we all know need filling, or the money may be wasted on providing them with luxuries. I'm not optimistic - such people who 'know people' never seem to provide evidence but I can but hope.

(and I do have a mate who works for BBC Notts - be very interested in such a story of laptops being given to AS who are still awaiting outcomes. Sadly he gets given these leads a lot and they rarely if ever produce evidence of anything other than malicious *******s)

[Yak]

I've read the link and after investigating 110 councils in the UK, they have found seven that spent money on asylum seekers (but even then can't be bothered to give us the details such as whether this is on people granted asylum status (Staffs said they only funded these and therefore it was a programme of integration and skills building for employment). I can only assume likewise the 3 of these councils that invested larger monies into their successful asylum claimants (Croydon, Staffs and Bristol) were investing it in integration projects for successful claimants.

But then you have the so sad, sad, sad news that West Sus*** spent 300 quid on playstations (that really should be one playstation and even then must have got it from CEX!), 496 on yoga lessons, Denbighshire spending a whopping 500 quid on taking Asylum successes on a local footy stadium tour, and Bracknell spending £400 on practical driving lessons. So out of 110 councils they investigated they found three that prob have questions to answer but I think the answer is likely to be investing money on integrating sucvcessful asylum seekers (which could be legal from Ukraine, it won't give us the detail - of course it wort, it's GB News - it wants us to be angry, blamey and hateful.

So thanks for sending these but it answers nothing of your claim that you have family who is sending laptops to asylum seekers. I'm calling it *******s until you can send the name of the organisation and the council/organisation it is providing them to. It may then be seen that we have an organisation that is skilling up the successful refugees to contribute towards their local economy in jobs we all know need filling, or the money may be wasted on providing them with luxuries. I'm not optimistic - such people who 'know people' never seem to provide evidence but I can but hope.

(and I do have a mate who works for BBC Notts - be very interested in such a story of laptops being given to AS who are still awaiting outcomes. Sadly he gets given these leads a lot and they rarely if ever produce evidence of anything other than malicious *******s)

Of course you’re calling bull**** raging.
To the normal person in the street it’s reality to you it’s just impossible to comprehend.
I won’t of course say where my family member works for obvious reasons.
I live in the real world and I’m pretty certain it’s more of a reality of what’s happening than the left wing ideology that you live in pal.
I don’t lie that’s good enough for me and I think I’m pretty comfortable with my values system and honesty.

[ragingpup]

Of course you’re calling bull**** raging.
To the normal person in the street it’s reality to you it’s just impossible to comprehend.
I won’t of course say where my family member works for obvious reasons.
I live in the real world and I’m pretty certain it’s more of a reality of what’s happening than the left wing ideology that you live in pal.
I don’t lie that’s good enough for me and I think I’m pretty comfortable with my values system and honesty.

I live in East London and work in one of the most poverty hit college postcodes in the country with a community comprised of many different nationalities and cultures. And we serve refugee kids as well as loads of other nationalities, and have class staff equally made up of UK nationals and immigrants. I don't think you can get more in touch with what is happening in the real world. I may not have the same real world level of yourself and my old pal who espouses the same GB news world view whiilst sitting in an all white Rotherham working men's club and never actually coming into contact with a person of any other ethnicity or culture. Still you could call GB News your real world if you like.

Can't really see why you can't name the name of a company that your family member works at - unless of course it's a small affair. Please PM me then, I promise I will not reveal it here or anywhere but I'm sure you wouldn't mind me tipping off some journos with a dynamite story of how many 100s of 100s of ??? of hard working tax payer's money is going into providing free laptops. Can't really think why you haven't already contacted GB News yourself? I think we should be told!

[frogmiller]

Not sure how we got to these points but do you mean what about Islamic nations not taking their share?

I had a double take at this as I always thought some predominantly Islamic nations take most of the world's refugees but looked it up:

For last 10 years up to 2025:

1. Iran - 3.75 million (Islam)
2. Turkey - 3.15 miliion (Islam)
3. Germany - 2.66 million (Christian)
4. Uganda - 1.65 million (Christian)
5. Pakistan - 1.58 million (Islam)
6. Chad - 1.24 million (Islam)
7. Russia - 1.22 million (Christian)
8. Ethiopia - 1 million (Christian/Islam)
9 Bangladesh - 984k (Muslim)
10. Poland - 980k (Catholic)

I think this is only data for people who have claimed asylum but gives an idea of where the majority of AS are headed, maioinly just based on nearness to warring countries

https://www.concern.org.uk/news/thes...AaAqjbEALw_wcB

https://www.concern.net/how-we-raise-money/institutional-donors

Forgive me for not taking this propaganda seriously.

[howdydoo]

I live in East London and work in one of the most poverty hit college postcodes in the country with a community comprised of many different nationalities and cultures. And we serve refugee kids as well as loads of other nationalities, and have class staff equally made up of UK nationals and immigrants. I don't think you can get more in touch with what is happening in the real world. I may not have the same real world level of yourself and my old pal who espouses the same GB news world view whiilst sitting in an all white Rotherham working men's club and never actually coming into contact with a person of any other ethnicity or culture. Still you could call GB News your real world if you like.

Can't really see why you can't name the name of a company that your family member works at - unless of course it's a small affair. Please PM me then, I promise I will not reveal it here or anywhere but I'm sure you wouldn't mind me tipping off some journos with a dynamite story of how many 100s of 100s of ??? of hard working tax payer's money is going into providing free laptops. Can't really think why you haven't already contacted GB News yourself? I think we should be told!

Some people really believe they're superior.

I've never met YAK but I'd guess he's witnessed more of the real world than you have in your little East London Utopia. No one launches personal attacks quite like a leftie.

Shameful post fella.

[ragingpup]

https://www.concern.net/how-we-raise...utional-donors

Forgive me for not taking this propaganda seriously.

Ok then. There's:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263423/major-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/refugees-by-country

https://www.unhcr.org/global-trends-report-2024

https://www.nrc.no/global-figures

I suspect that they will all be corrupt in your eyes though.