Budget 26th November

[baggieal]

This will be interesting and most likely another own goal.

Are the majority of the public interested in Rachel from Accounts black hole when the cost of living in the U.K. is sky high, services are getting worse and the illegals in hotels is costing billions and getting worse? I think not!

Any thoughts on what she will try and hit?

[Leicesterbaggie]

Us!!

[Albionic68]

..... .Are the majority of the public interested in Rachel from Accounts black hole.......

Can't speak for anyone else Al but I'm not remotely interested in any of her holes, I'd much rather have a w@nk to be perfectly honest 😊 😉.

[bordering]

Us!!

Whatever she does it won't stimulate growth and we will become not just worse off but increasingly dependent on state handouts which I believe is the masterplan - control the electorate through the purse strings.

This government can't be this incompetent or so politically inept -I think it is a plan for centralised state control of every aspect of our lives - what we say , control of our money by CBDC and ID cards and even what we spend our money on.

It is a path to a totalitarian socialist state and there is not one country that has created or sustained a dynamic economy - not communist Russia , not communist China with such a system .

It don't work.............. bit like Mason's tactics but I don't think he has a masterplan though I think this government does.
Its catalogues of mistakes and not reading the room ignoring the electorate can only mean they are on a mission to a totalitarian socialist state and they are totally myopic

[Omegstrat6]

Whatever she does it won't stimulate growth and we will become not just worse off but increasingly dependent on state handouts which I believe is the masterplan - control the electorate through the purse strings.

This government can't be this incompetent or so politically inept -I think it is a plan for centralised state control of every aspect of our lives - what we say , control of our money by CBDC and ID cards and even what we spend our money on.

It is a path to a totalitarian socialist state and there is not one country that has created or sustained a dynamic economy - not communist Russia , not communist China with such a system .

It don't work.............. bit like Mason's tactics but I don't think he has a masterplan though I think this government does.
Its catalogues of mistakes and not reading the room ignoring the electorate can only mean they are on a mission to a totalitarian socialist state and they are totally myopic

Quite agree that this government-and Starmer particularly-does not read the room nor listen to others enough (if he did better at both I'm sure we would all be better off and the Labour Party wouldn't be in such a mess) but IMHO the idea that their vision for Britain is some kind of totalitarian socialist state is very wide of the mark. Starmer is no Corbyn and more left wing elements of the party have either been forced out or left on their own accord.

Don't get me wrong, I've long been very wary of the collation of big data and it's potential for either state mis-use or criminal exploitation and am similarly aware that the mythical "growth" is largely dependent on the success of businesses. To these ends, I am against the whole idea of digital ID cards (a hugely costly enterprise that would not deter those serious enough to avoid detection in any case) and also the adding of further NI costs to businesses which only works directly against growth.

On the other hand, the growing divide in the distribution of wealth in this country and an increasing number of people facing financial difficulties means that the safety of a social security net is needed. The moot point is to ensure that recipients of it are in genuine need. So yes, I agree that winter fuel payments should be means tested not simply blanket ones to many pensioners who do not need it and yes, I agree that the PIP system needs a major overhaul to better ensure that those in genuine need get it and those who do not are no longer so easily able to play the system.

I also agree with the idea of a minimum wage and the employment Rights Bill that so many Conservatives are getting worked up about. The majority of those on UC work but why should individuals make more profit by paying lower wages and expecting the state to make up the shortfall? Profit in itself isn't a dirty word-but it is if it is made through exploitation. People should read through the details of the bill properly. It does not present a threat to businesses unless those businesses are unhappy about losing the current ease with which they can exploit staff. All the above have been proposed by this Labour government. I am in total agreement that none have been properly thought through in terms of implementation (which has caused a series of needless U-turns) but they are hardly policies of a socialist totalitarian state surely?

No doubting that she has exaggerated the numbers of her Black Hole (don't get excited 68&#128513 that she inherited but 15 years of Conservative rule have undeniably contributed to where we are now. Reeve's job, however, is not to harp on about past failings but to face up to what is in front of her now and to decide what to do to try and get out of it. The government are currently targeting the massive profits made by energy companies with the aim of reducing the cost of bills to not just domestic consumers but for business and manufacturing sectors too which is surely a good thing so they don't get everything wrong.

To some extent Reeves is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Further borrowing is the last thing she wants to do but the pressure is on because the electorate are fed up of austerity and this would ease matters in the short term. I certainly disagree with some of the things Reeves has already done in the last budget but don't envy her position. It's easy for Bad Enoch and Nige to criticise but honestly don't believe that either of them -or anyone else-has all the answers.

[baggieal]

Quite agree that this government-and Starmer particularly-does not read the room nor listen to others enough (if he did better at both I'm sure we would all be better off and the Labour Party wouldn't be in such a mess) but IMHO the idea that their vision for Britain is some kind of totalitarian socialist state is very wide of the mark. Starmer is no Corbyn and more left wing elements of the party have either been forced out or left on their own accord.

Don't get me wrong, I've long been very wary of the collation of big data and it's potential for either state mis-use or criminal exploitation and am similarly aware that the mythical "growth" is largely dependent on the success of businesses. To these ends, I am against the whole idea of digital ID cards (a hugely costly enterprise that would not deter those serious enough to avoid detection in any case) and also the adding of further NI costs to businesses which only works directly against growth.

On the other hand, the growing divide in the distribution of wealth in this country and an increasing number of people facing financial difficulties means that the safety of a social security net is needed. The moot point is to ensure that recipients of it are in genuine need. So yes, I agree that winter fuel payments should be means tested not simply blanket ones to many pensioners who do not need it and yes, I agree that the PIP system needs a major overhaul to better ensure that those in genuine need get it and those who do not are no longer so easily able to play the system.

I also agree with the idea of a minimum wage and the employment Rights Bill that so many Conservatives are getting worked up about. The majority of those on UC work but why should individuals make more profit by paying lower wages and expecting the state to make up the shortfall? Profit in itself isn't a dirty word-but it is if it is made through exploitation. People should read through the details of the bill properly. It does not present a threat to businesses unless those businesses are unhappy about losing the current ease with which they can exploit staff. All the above have been proposed by this Labour government. I am in total agreement that none have been properly thought through in terms of implementation (which has caused a series of needless U-turns) but they are hardly policies of a socialist totalitarian state surely?

No doubting that she has exaggerated the numbers of her Black Hole (don't get excited 68&#128513 that she inherited but 15 years of Conservative rule have undeniably contributed to where we are now. Reeve's job, however, is not to harp on about past failings but to face up to what is in front of her now and to decide what to do to try and get out of it. The government are currently targeting the massive profits made by energy companies with the aim of reducing the cost of bills to not just domestic consumers but for business and manufacturing sectors too which is surely a good thing so they don't get everything wrong.

To some extent Reeves is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Further borrowing is the last thing she wants to do but the pressure is on because the electorate are fed up of austerity and this would ease matters in the short term. I certainly disagree with some of the things Reeves has already done in the last budget but don't envy her position. It's easy for Bad Enoch and Nige to criticise but honestly don't believe that either of them -or anyone else-has all the answers.

Agree Omeg but you can?t keep taxing individuals to the hilt and not expect resentment. I am currently in Seville after doing uni tours with my daughter in Birmingham and Manchester. The two U.K. cities were frightening with groups in hoodies roaming around and you wouldn?t have thought it was England. Seville is 99 per cent Spanish, clean and immaculate, no yobs, most things half the price and single females walking by themselves late at night with phones out. Wow - the difference!

In Spain you only get benefits if you have paid into the system and they don?t do handouts like confetti!

Whilst I am no fan of Trump he has now capped migrants at under 8000 per year where under Biden it was 125,000. Even many Americans who don?t like Trump will applaud this move as there should be no such thing as a free lunch, Anyone can argue whatever they like but illegal immigration is wrecking the U.K. and why should tax payers keep forking out for this?

As a country we seem to pay aid like confetti again - Gaza, Jamaica, Ukraine. Are other countries surrounding any tragedies giving the same in aid or taking in citizens? No!

Even entering the EU now you have to have photographs taken - soon to be finger prints then an EU style entry visa similar to the ESTA in the US. Will the U.K. adopt this for every foreigner entering our country which controls borders and is hugely profitable? I doubt it! Even travelling to the EU you pay costly road tolls. Why should European lorries and cars use our roads for free when British Nationals pay substantial road taxes which keep rising?

If I could I would gladly live in Spain but sadly since Brexit that?s a no go unless you pay Spanish tax to a certain level. They don?t want free loaders!

[baggiematt]

Whatever she does it won't stimulate growth and we will become not just worse off but increasingly dependent on state handouts which I believe is the masterplan - control the electorate through the purse strings.

This government can't be this incompetent or so politically inept -I think it is a plan for centralised state control of every aspect of our lives - what we say , control of our money by CBDC and ID cards and even what we spend our money on.

It is a path to a totalitarian socialist state and there is not one country that has created or sustained a dynamic economy - not communist Russia , not communist China with such a system .

It don't work.............. bit like Mason's tactics but I don't think he has a masterplan though I think this government does.
Its catalogues of mistakes and not reading the room ignoring the electorate can only mean they are on a mission to a totalitarian socialist state and they are totally myopic

Starmer has been a poor PM, no doubt, but this is a bit of a stretch.

There is nothing more socialist about this country now than when Starmer took over. Nothing new is delivered by the state (or nothing significant). If anything there have been attempts to cut benefits, not give them out.

There are loads of countries with ID cards without misuse. I would question timing and benefit but not intention.

[baggieal]

Starmer has been a poor PM, no doubt, but this is a bit of a stretch.

There is nothing more socialist about this country now than when Starmer took over. Nothing new is delivered by the state (or nothing significant). If anything there have been attempts to cut benefits, not give them out.

There are loads of countries with ID cards without misuse. I would question timing and benefit but not intention.

Entering the EU now requires having your photograph taken - soon finger prints - then a cost for EU entry - similar to the USA Esta. You can not have your face covered when photographed so how will this work in the U.K. or with digital cards? It might upset some 😂

[Albionic68]

.........There are loads of countries with ID cards without misuse. I would question timing and benefit but not intention.

Correct. Or rather they may have been misused and we just don't know about it or they haven't been misused until they are. I am not a conspiracy theorist by any reasonable stretch of the imagination but given his track record of running the country to date I wouldn't trust Mr. Starmer to run me a bath quite frankly.

[baggiematt]

Correct. Or rather they may have been misused and we just don't know about it or they haven't been misused until they are. I am not a conspiracy theorist by any reasonable stretch of the imagination but given his track record of running the country to date I wouldn't trust Mr. Starmer to run me a bath quite frankly.

He cant even get a welfare reduction past his peers. I wouldnt worry about anything sinister coming out of his underwhelming reign.

Farage on the other hand is problematic but he stands for anything that makes him or his cronies money.