Regardless of what happens in the second half this clueless manager has to go, Shileen get rid now
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So, anybody out there that anybody care to suggest to step in?Originally posted by Bombers right foot View PostRegardless of what happens in the second half this clueless manager has to go, Shileen get rid now
This is just a merry-go-round every few months. Dismal football it may be but who do you blame? Players or managers?
Players are average at best if they are fit. The manager is young and new to management.
Just who does anybody suggest will make a difference?
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a cardboard cut out of a wheelie bin would have more get up and go than Mason, the clueless clown stands there with his hands in his pockets, Gary Megson he is not, Megson is the type of guy we need to get this shower playing it feels like we are back to 1999Originally posted by Dubbag View PostSo, anybody out there that anybody care to suggest to step in?
This is just a merry-go-round every few months. Dismal football it may be but who do you blame? Players or managers?
Players are average at best if they are fit. The manager is young and new to management.
Just who does anybody suggest will make a difference?
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I was all for giving him time before this but it was such a mess.Originally posted by Dubbag View PostSo, anybody out there that anybody care to suggest to step in?
This is just a merry-go-round every few months. Dismal football it may be but who do you blame? Players or managers?
Players are average at best if they are fit. The manager is young and new to management.
Just who does anybody suggest will make a difference?
I do think the players are poor, but good managers work on things in training that get embedded on the pitch. Corberan used to press in numbers to try to nick the ball high up the pitch. You could see that the players knew what they were trying to achieve.
ItÂ’s hard to see what we are working on. The plan seems to be to give it to Johnston to do some magic. Thats about it. But sides are now putting 2 or more on him and given we arent attacking down the right side, we arent utilising the space, so we just lose the ball.
I want it to work but itÂ’s a horrible mess that resembles Big Dave against Ipswich (his last game) and the latter games under Val. Both managers didnt know how to sort it out and neither does Mason, sadly.
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The problem is that game after game we see the same problems but no attempt to improve the situation. We continue to select two defensive midfielders when what is required is creativity. We only appear to present one danger to the opposition and that?s Johnson. Even the back four, who looked solid at the start of the season, are looking vulnerable, especially in the latter stages of today?s game. I know that we kept a clean sheet but a better side would have murdered us.
Up to this point I have not critcised Mason but I am now beginning to question the appointment. Does he not see where the problems lie
and attempt to fix them. As the saying goes, you cannot keep doing the same things and expect a different outcome. I would not get rid yet but more performances like today and action will need to be taken.
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Pretty well my take on the situation also Leics buddy.Originally posted by Leicesterbaggie View PostThe problem is that game after game we see the same problems but no attempt to improve the situation. We continue to select two defensive midfielders when what is required is creativity. We only appear to present one danger to the opposition and that?s Johnson. Even the back four, who looked solid at the start of the season, are looking vulnerable, especially in the latter stages of today?s game. I know that we kept a clean sheet but a better side would have murdered us.
Up to this point I have not critcised Mason but I am now beginning to question the appointment. Does he not see where the problems lie
and attempt to fix them. As the saying goes, you cannot keep doing the same things and expect a different outcome. I would not get rid yet but more performances like today and action will need to be taken.
I thought they looked to have more energy early doors and with a bit of luck could have had a couple of goals. Mikey threatened, but was well marked and seemed to delay the final pass.
Mowatt is sitting now well within the back four and Diakite seemed to settle close by. Albeit the latter looked more threatening, but he is hanging on to the ball too long and suspect to the odd clanger. Price produced another great long range effort, but seemed to disappear.
Junior on the right wing lost the ball too often with some poor first touches.
The back 4 I thought were generally ok, albeit Calum concerns me as FB. I liked Gilchrist and certainly Beliek showed some quality for his short display.
All in all?just not good enough
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Originally posted by Prando View PostPretty well my take on the situation also Leics buddy.
I thought they looked to have more energy early doors and with a bit of luck could have had a couple of goals. Mikey threatened, but was well marked and seemed to delay the final pass.
Mowatt is sitting now well within the back four and Diakite seemed to settle close by. Albeit the latter looked more threatening, but he is hanging on to the ball too long and suspect to the odd clanger. Price produced another great long range effort, but seemed to disappear.
Junior on the right wing lost the ball too often with some poor first touches.
The back 4 I thought were generally ok, albeit Calum concerns me as FB. I liked Gilchrist and certainly Beliek showed some quality for his short display.
All in all?just not good enough
Didn?t go Prando as was coming back from holiday. Judging by the comments i was the lucky one!
Few comments about Mason below - did you notice this?
Anyone else notice the lack of interest the players had when Mason was briefing on the touch line during Mowetts injury
Says it all
Only half the team were listening to the manager
Something is not right there
Mason does not look like he could inspire a dog with a juicy bone so this caught my attention
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His post match comments after the previous game included saying that he thought the players did not have the belief in themselves that they could win but he also acknowledged that it was his job to motivate them. Scant evidence of the latter today. Maybe it's the manager or system they don't believe in?Originally posted by baggieal View PostDidn?t go Prando as was coming back from holiday. Judging by the comments i was the lucky one!
Few comments about Mason below - did you notice this?
Anyone else notice the lack of interest the players had when Mason was briefing on the touch line during Mowetts injury
Says it all
Only half the team were listening to the manager
Something is not right there
Mason does not look like he could inspire a dog with a juicy bone so this caught my attention
When he first arrived at the club, interviews with the players saw them praise him for being direct and very clear about what he wanted from them. Aside from the tippy-tappy sideways/ backwards stuff (which I presume is all about holding on to possession and-yawn-biding our time waiting for the right break) I can't see what he expects of them lately. Given today's disjointed performance, like others, I'm struggling to discover if we even had a game plan for the match.
Winning can become a habit, but so can drawing or losing. The frustration on some of the players' faces is clear as confidence dips. The longer this goes on, the harder it is to break out of and the further down the table we will slip. Part of any managers job is to motivate his team and get the best from them. Mason doesn't seem to be able to do either at the moment.
Whilst the top 4 clubs are pulling away, there are still several clubs who are all bunched together on the same points so a turn around is still possible but we are rapidly running out of time to do so. I had genuine hopes of a Top 6 finish at the start of the season but as we enter November I'd settle for Top 10 -though it will need far better performances than today's.
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This is a classic of players who don?t believe in Mason or have faith in his tactics, We need a clear leader on the pitch who is consistently the captain. How Wallace is still the official captain defies belief then swapping it around!Originally posted by Omegstrat6 View PostHis post match comments after the previous game included saying that he thought the players did not have the belief in themselves that they could win but he also acknowledged that it was his job to motivate them. Scant evidence of the latter today. Maybe it's the manager or system they don't believe in?
When he first arrived at the club, interviews with the players saw them praise him for being direct and very clear about what he wanted from them. Aside from the tippy-tappy sideways/ backwards stuff (which I presume is all about holding on to possession and-yawn-biding our time waiting for the right break) I can't see what he expects of them lately. Given today's disjointed performance, like others, I'm struggling to discover if we even had a game plan for the match.
Winning can become a habit, but so can drawing or losing. The frustration on some of the players' faces is clear as confidence dips. The longer this goes on, the harder it is to break out of and the further down the table we will slip. Part of any managers job is to motivate his team and get the best from them. Mason doesn't seem to be able to do either at the moment.
Whilst the top 4 clubs are pulling away, there are still several clubs who are all bunched together on the same points so a turn around is still possible but we are rapidly running out of time to do so. I had genuine hopes of a Top 6 finish at the start of the season but as we enter November I'd settle for Top 10 -though it will need far better performances than today's.
Hands in pockets and Abella shouting out instructions is a poor sign too about Mason! Zero passion during the match and even during interviews!
Nestor won?t want Mason sacked as it will look to be a failure on his part too which would be true.
Don?t mind dropping points or finishing mid table if the entertainment is there, I would rather lose playing youngsters who give it a good go, Take Birmingham they are no better than us but they attack and attack and have belief in winning every match from the kick off.
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It is nice to see Matt, that you have finally seen the realism that the Nestor model is not working.Originally posted by baggiematt View PostI do think the model has been misunderstood. It?’s the basic principles most clubs now follow. We will put the ball on the ground and play 433 - thats about it.
I think our modernisation has been seen as the reason why we are failing. We have just transitioned from an owner that nearly plummeted us to depths of league one and administration. The whole team needed an overhaul and we needed to save 10s of millions of pounds to satisfy FFP.
Selling your best players, replacing them with cheaper ones and still being competitive would be a fine feat. Us being competitive at the top of the table was unrealistic and will take a couple more transfer windows, maybe longer.
For me, I think I would be good to give Mason the opportunity to manage/coach without being held to the model that clearly has not worked.
Give the man a chance, ditch the Nestor model and see if he is capable. If not then look at where we are and the club would need to make a decision on what to do and where we would want to be going direction wise.
Said the Nestor model was wrong for the club from the start. And it still is.
We are all allowed opinions and it is nice to see you can accept that the Nestor model does not fit with us.Last edited by On Balance; 01-11-2025, 10:25 PM.
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Just a note,
We?ve scored 12 goals this season. Coventry have scored 36. That?s what happens when you play football at a walking pace with no clear plans, structure or energy, plus playing the ?safe? game mostly in your own half with the full backs not overlapping creating chances smacks of very poor coaching with total lack of ideas.
Even Pulis who bored us to death had a plan, Mason has no idea and should be replaced before the next international break, the new manager whoever that may be needs time before the next transfer window, Patel and Nestor should admit they have made a glaring mistake in appointing a novice and act accordingly
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