Train stabbings.

[Leicesterbaggie]

It appears that the two men arrested were, one black British National and the other a British National of Afro-Caribbean heritage. Why was this not disclosed straight away? It was stated because they did not want misinformation circulating on social media. Surely by not stating who they were then there was a much greater possibility of false information circulating! Does not make any sense to me.

[baggieal]

It appears that the two men arrested were, one black British National and the other a British National of Afro-Caribbean heritage. Why was this not disclosed straight away? It was stated because they did not want misinformation circulating on social media. Surely by not stating who they were then there was a much greater possibility of false information circulating! Does not make any sense to me.

Typical! This country is well and truly broken. Just announced in Leeds a man set fire to a police van then jumps on top of it with the Quran. Unbelievable!

I have just done tours around uni's with my younger daughter and she said Birmingham and Manchester were scary in the day time and like a different country. Just returned back from Seville which is almost all Spanish - people well dressed - prices almost half compared to the UK - clean - and even single girls walking without fear alone at night with their phones out.
It's another world and yes I would love to live there!

[On Balance]

It appears that the two men arrested were, one black British National and the other a British National of Afro-Caribbean heritage. Why was this not disclosed straight away? It was stated because they did not want misinformation circulating on social media. Surely by not stating who they were then there was a much greater possibility of false information circulating! Does not make any sense to me.

I am not sure if it matters about their ethnicity Leicester. They are both British and we are a multicultural society. Unfortunately, no matter how horrific these acts are, white people are just as likely to commit such crimes. Look at Hungerford and other similar acts.

The one thing is that we are perhaps too accepting is of cultural differences and although I would be against stopping people’s cultural beliefs and heritage, I think education could play a big part in providing an understanding of the privilege of being British and living in the UK. That may sound harsh and it is not so easy to explain but we do have a problem in this country. It is not a black or white issue, it is a national issue we need to get on top of. Most people in of all ethnicities are good people, happy to go around without doing harm to others.

Of course there may be other reasons, i.e. mental health issues, so making any assumptions at this stage is premature. I hope those injured make a full recovery. The trauma issues the victims have suffered will likely take a hell of a lot longer to heal.

[Leicesterbaggie]

My point OB is that if the identities of the men were known very quickly why not release them and in that way would avoid any misinformation on social media such as what happened with the Southport stabbings.

[On Balance]

My point OB is that if the identities of the men were known very quickly why not release them and in that way would avoid any misinformation on social media such as what happened with the Southport stabbings.

Yeah, see what you’re saying. But that is the issue with social media unfortunately. For me, whatever nationality or ethnicity, these social media morons are just not nice people. I don’t see what difference it makes re their ethnicity other than, for those who want to make it so, to feed their dislike of another’s culture. And for clarity, I am not saying that is your point, as I absolutely respect you and your points of view.

[baggieal]

My point OB is that if the identities of the men were known very quickly why not release them and in that way would avoid any misinformation on social media such as what happened with the Southport stabbings.

You are right Leicester and of course the ethnicity should be released. By doing this the police can determine whether it?s gang or terror related, grooming, migrants or whites. For example when it was known in Epping the young school girl was s exually assaulted by a migrant it was in the local communities interest to know who it was - many parents then decided to give their young daughters lifts to school or there were safety volunteers around the hotel route where girls had to pass to school.

You have to remember that many of those entering don?t have any form of documentation or in their own countries women are assaulted and treated like second class citizens. So some of these men won?t know any difference.

Nothing should ever be hidden under the carpet and it?s disgusting the grooming enquiries are still going on many years later.

In terms of the stabbings again it?s back down to our soft country. Why are certain knives allowed to be sold? Why are those in possession of knives not given very long prison sentences? This debate has come up before and nothing is ever done as usual!

[On Balance]

My point OB is that if the identities of the men were known very quickly why not release them and in that way would avoid any misinformation on social media such as what happened with the Southport stabbings.

And i get what you’re saying. But why does the ethnicity of those involved make a difference if they are British nationals. Do black people join the armed forces to protect our shores? I would say absolutely they do, as do many other people from other ethnicities.

They do, so why does we need to know initially at least what ethnicity was involved. Only those that might want it not to be a white person would want to know. Why, because it may support their beliefs.

I don’t care what ethnicity these morons come from, only that they are caught and dealt with.

[baggieal]

My point OB is that if the identities of the men were known very quickly why not release them and in that way would avoid any misinformation on social media such as what happened with the Southport stabbings.

The public have a right to know the ethnicity of any attackers and even Sunak acknowledged this as below:

On a visit to Rochdale the prime minister was asked if the focus by the home secretary on British-Asian men when discussing grooming gangs in parts of northern England was appropriate.
Mr Sunak said it wasn't right that cases of victims and whistleblowers had been "often ignored" by social workers, local politicians and the police in areas such as Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford - because of "cultural sensitivity and political correctness".

In terms of whistleblowers if one member of a gang was identified then the public may lead the police to the ringleaders. Where it?s an awful rape/s ex attack like the one on the little school girl by the migrant at the Bell Hotel - again it was in the publics interests to know it was a migrant at the hotel so other parents in the area could give their young daughters lifts to school as opposed to walking past that hotel.

Likewise if any offence is caused by a British white person to which there are many this should be highlighted too. Remember many also carry dual nationality if they weren?t born in the U.K. like some of my own family.

[baggiematt]

The public have a right to know the ethnicity of any attackers and even Sunak acknowledged this as below:

On a visit to Rochdale the prime minister was asked if the focus by the home secretary on British-Asian men when discussing grooming gangs in parts of northern England was appropriate.
Mr Sunak said it wasn't right that cases of victims and whistleblowers had been "often ignored" by social workers, local politicians and the police in areas such as Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford - because of "cultural sensitivity and political correctness".

In terms of whistleblowers if one member of a gang was identified then the public may lead the police to the ringleaders. Where it?s an awful rape/s ex attack like the one on the little school girl by the migrant at the Bell Hotel - again it was in the publics interests to know it was a migrant at the hotel so other parents in the area could give their young daughters lifts to school as opposed to walking past that hotel.

Likewise if any offence is caused by a British white person to which there are many this should be highlighted too. Remember many also carry dual nationality if they weren?t born in the U.K. like some of my own family.

We do have to be careful Al, we are growing into a society that shows less tolerance on crimes committed by ‘our own’. By our own, I mean white people.

Where were the riots after the Letby murders came out?

Rupert The Racist Lowe couldnt really argue back on a debate when it was announced that there are more grooming crimes on average by white people than migrants.

The media report on crimes more prevalent when non white people are the perpetrators.

[baggieal]

My point OB is that if the identities of the men were known very quickly why not release them and in that way would avoid any misinformation on social media such as what happened with the Southport stabbings.

We do have to be careful Al, we are growing into a society that shows less tolerance on crimes committed by ‘our own’. By our own, I mean white people.

Where were the riots after the Letby murders came out?

Rupert The Racist Lowe couldnt really argue back on a debate when it was announced that there are more grooming crimes on average by white people than migrants.

The media report on crimes more prevalent when non white people are the perpetrators.

Careful yes of course Matt but in Rishi?s words
words too much cultural sensitivity and political correctness around. For me this is more from white lefties causing this.

If Zia Yusuf or Patel say stop the boats then strangely enough they are not racist but if Lowe or Jenrik say the same thing they are racist or far right. You can?t make it up 😂😂

I agree though in many things like benefit cheats etc look no further than the whites. The least problematic in this country are our Jewish communities who are constantly threatened.

[On Balance]

We do have to be careful Al, we are growing into a society that shows less tolerance on crimes committed by ‘our own’. By our own, I mean white people.

Where were the riots after the Letby murders came out?

Rupert The Racist Lowe couldnt really argue back on a debate when it was announced that there are more grooming crimes on average by white people than migrants.

The media report on crimes more prevalent when non white people are the perpetrators.

Totally agree Matt on this. I would hate this country to go back to where it was decades ago.

There is clearly a problem, not only here but also in other countries. Humans are human and we should all be as one, no matter what colour our skin is. The awful thing is those that do not accept those that are not like them. And that goes in both or many ways, depending on one?s view.

There is evil in all colours. But there is more good in all colours. Much more.

[baggieal]

We do have to be careful Al, we are growing into a society that shows less tolerance on crimes committed by ‘our own’. By our own, I mean white people.

Where were the riots after the Letby murders came out?

Rupert The Racist Lowe couldnt really argue back on a debate when it was announced that there are more grooming crimes on average by white people than migrants.

The media report on crimes more prevalent when non white people are the perpetrators.

Everyone?s views should be respected. Trump easily won in the USA because the majority wanted him within that country. Whoever wins the next election in the U.K. will be decided by the majority so again this should be respected.

Same with football it?s usually the majority who decide the fate of the manager so the chairman or owner needs to react.

[baggiematt]

Careful yes of course Matt but in Rishi?s words
words too much cultural sensitivity and political correctness around. For me this is more from white lefties causing this.

If Zia Yusuf or Patel say stop the boats then strangely enough they are not racist but if Lowe or Jenrik say the same thing they are racist or far right. You can?t make it up 😂😂

I agree though in many things like benefit cheats etc look no further than the whites. The least problematic in this country are our Jewish communities who are constantly threatened.

I dont know much about Jenrick, but Lowe is a raging racist. It’s not just immigration for him, it’s anything he doesn’t like about Pakistanis. He is almost open about it.

He is laser focussed on Muslims and nothing else comes out of his mouth. He wont condemn any white wrongdoings but goes heavy on anything from non natives.

A billionaire who tells us how to think. Id take any sort of person over that type of person.

[baggiematt]

You dont have to respect views if they dont match your values.

There was once a little bloke with an odd mustache who was voted to lead in Germany and the majority of the country followed him into atrocities. I dont respect him, Trump or the plonkers that follow them.

On Trump, how can you respect a bloke that brings world leaders onto national tv where they are humiliated by him and his cronies. They bullied Zelenskyy (and others) and I dont respect people who follow bullies.

[On Balance]

You dont have to respect views if they dont match your values.

There was once a little bloke with an odd mustache who was voted to lead in Germany and the majority of the country followed him into atrocities. I dont respect him, Trump or the plonkers that follow them.

On Trump, how can you respect a bloke that brings world leaders onto national tv where they are humiliated by him and his cronies. They bullied Zelenskyy (and others) and I dont respect people who follow bullies.

Sadly, Trump loves himself. What he did to President Zelenskyy was/is absolutely unforgivable.

Trump is a narcissist. We will not visit the USA until he is gone. Not that that will make much of a difference in all honesty.

I think many Americans are realising what he is rather than what he portrayed himself as being.