Angus gunn

[Omegstrat6]

I firmly believe that selling Palmer cost us a play off place. He was one of, if not the best, in the division. It looks like we could be doing the same with Heggem. If we want to build for the future we need to keep our best players, not sell them.

Pretty much agree with you on both counts!

If we were in dire financial straits, I could certainly understand selling our better players but whilst hardly flush we are not quite in that situation yet courtesy of Mr Patel.

I do understand the argument by some around unearthing gems and selling them on at a profit as a short term plan to enable better financial stability which would, in turn, allow us to retain our better players but I have concerns over this. To begin with, there are no guarantees that we will be able to find such gems-whether from domestic lower leagues or from abroad-on a consistent basis to enable this short term aim. Moreover, if we did do this, would not the quality of the squad further deteriorate and we would slip down the table making recovery harder still?

I'd read somewhere that the club had a 3 year plan with the ultimate aim of gaining promotion. Can't see this happening if we sell all our better players. We have found some bargain players in the likes of Fellows, Heggem and Price, all of whom have become fan favourites and all of whom have attracted attention, but IMHO, to cash in on them all would be a big mistake.

I do, however, appreciate that the sale of such players would both improve our financial situation and fund needed improvements elsewhere in the squad. There must be caveats though-firstly, we should not even countenance selling all 3 as this would drastically weaken the team and secondly, that we do not sell any player whose loss would mean a substantial weakening in that area of the pitch in return for a possible improvement elsewhere. IMHO, this would mean that selling either Heggem or Price would be a mistake akin to our sale of Palmer. As for Fellows, his number of assists prove his worth and I would dearly love to keep him but if we had to sell one of these 3 I agree with Al and go reluctantly for Tom. This is simply because I feel we have existing players who can better cover his loss than we do for the others and because his sale would command more money/profit.

[stargazer_1962]

Palmer had to go in the previous financial window for PSR (or whatever its called).
Were now in a new financial window no doubt and hence the purchase of hegbo.
I'm sure in a recent interview the owner (or some other big fish in the club) said we were still not out of the woods so it seems inevitable we need to sell at least one valuable player so whoever brings in the largest profit will be the one to go.

[soulman101]

Palmer was nearly 28 when established him self in our Ist team .
If any seen him concede 5 against arsenal , you have doubted him and look how he turned out .
It doesn't like we are going to sign another goalkeeper ,so let's get behind him and give him a fair chance .

[baggieal]

Palmer was nearly 28 when established him self in our Ist team .
If any seen him concede 5 against arsenal , you have doubted him and look how he turned out .
It doesn't like we are going to sign another goalkeeper ,so let's get behind him and give him a fair chance .

Hear what you are saying but Griffiths gave Wolves the goals in the cup tie and let in a good number of soft goals last season no doubt costing us a play off place. The defence look nervous especially Furlong with Griffiths there. How many more chances should he get this season? The majority are not usually wrong and many and shouting out for a good keeper of Palmers standard. Maybe give Griffiths a chance by making him number 2. More blunders at the start of this season could mean very frustrated supporters and action to be taken. It?s not because he?s young or inexperienced - these mistakes are basic! Commanding the box ( crosses ) can be improved as Johnstone was not great but very soft goals? That bounce on Saturday you would expect a pub keeper to have done better.

[boingy]

I agree! To the credit of Carlos the keeper and defence were solid but now it?s a weakness. I know you like Furlong but got to say under CC he was fairly solid but since he left he?s not been the same player. Why?

Griffiths will make those in front of him nervous too! Goes back to what I said - I could understand selling Palmer for financial reasons but not when Heggbo a gamble has cost us pretty much equal to what came in for Palmer.

I know some won?t like this but I would rather we sold Fellows than Heggem!

Furlong was better defensively under Carlos. I think Carlos leaving didnt help things. Furlong needs to get better at tackling if I was manager Id be really working on this because his other stats are amazing. He won 92% of his aerial duels last season. Provided Fellows with practically all of his assists. The other lads are supposed to cover him when he goes forward. Different system again now though but he will still be asked to be a defender, midfielder and forward.

[jim68]

I still believe that selling Palmer was lunacy. He was possibly the best goalie in the league and we sell him, crazy, that alone could have cost us a playoff place.

whoever decided that wants sacking
on the cheap as well

[baggieal]

Selling a homegrown player for pure profit is totally different to buying a player for the same amount. It’s the difference between getting £5m on the books in one go and £5m over 5 seasons.

Im afraid Lai left us in a position where we have to sell to survive. The new owners have been amazing in being clear on this, changing the scouting strategy and spending the money we receive.

As for Griffiths, give him time he will be fine.

Gunn is going to Forest anyway.

Home grown player ( pure profit ) or buying a player. Most business owners though still would or should look at the balance sheet as anything other is irrelevant. You can dress up anything you like but it?s what a business has in pure assets or money in the bank. Bit like saying two players in the treatment room is the same thing - in Dike?s case on a salary of over 30K a week it?s not the same. Dike will be picking up around 750K per year more than say Bany who is keeping him company.

Those businesses who pay staff 100K a year will want blood as opposed to staff who are on around 30/40K. So for me you have to evaluate what our highest earners - Wallace - Bartley - Dike - Furlong etc bring to the party! Seems not a lot as no other club would be interested in them or certainly not paying the same level of wages.

[baggiematt]

Home grown player ( pure profit ) or buying a player. Most business owners though still would or should look at the balance sheet as anything other is irrelevant. You can dress up anything you like but it?s what a business has in pure assets or money in the bank. Bit like saying two players in the treatment room is the same thing - in Dike?s case on a salary of over 30K a week it?s not the same. Dike will be picking up around 750K per year more than say Bany who is keeping him company.

Those businesses who pay staff 100K a year will want blood as opposed to staff who are on around 30/40K. So for me you have to evaluate what our highest earners - Wallace - Bartley - Dike - Furlong etc bring to the party! Seems not a lot as no other club would be interested in them or certainly not paying the same level of wages.

Sorry Al, youre debating this but I dont think you get the PSR rules. We would have started this season with a points deduction if we breached it and reports we were £2m shy of this over a 3 year period. Its not just about balance sheets any more.

We know there is a problem with Dike, Wallace, Bartley and co. The club will know this too. But if we cant sell them, they stay.

Sadly the new owners are copping it for the last ones but fans should know that we will be selling for profit to survive and grow.

[baggieal]

Sorry Al, youre debating this but I dont think you get the PSR rules. We would have started this season with a points deduction if we breached it and reports we were £2m shy of this over a 3 year period. Its not just about balance sheets any more.

We know there is a problem with Dike, Wallace, Bartley and co. The club will know this too. But if we cant sell them, they stay.

Sadly the new owners are copping it for the last ones but fans should know that we will be selling for profit to survive and grow.

Get what you are saying but let?s be clear - other players could have been sold off at a giveaway price like Paimer was who are not crucial to the side. Palmer whilst his value is not of Fellows in my view was more of an important piece of the jigsaw than him.

Griffiths is like a Honda compared to Paimer being a BMW.

[boingy]

Get what you are saying but let?s be clear - other players could have been sold off at a giveaway price like Paimer was who are not crucial to the side. Palmer whilst his value is not of Fellows in my view was more of an important piece of the jigsaw than him.

Griffiths is like a Honda compared to Paimer being a BMW.

Honda lawnmower.