Are the Lunatics Running the Asylum?

[baggieal]

Not content with thousands entering the country illegally we now have this:

The government can't say with accuracy how many visa overstayers there are in Britain - no data has been collated for five-and-a-half years.

One Immigration lawyer believes there could be as many as 400,000 living across the country.

Harjap Singh Bhangal described the situation as a "shambles".

"The Home Office doesn't have any accurate data because we don't have exit controls. It's a shambles. It's an institution where every wall in the building is cracked,

Illegal immigration is almost zero now in the USA and their Esta entry system tracks every non US citizen on entry and exit with finger prints and photos. Put simply if you overstay your time you are jailed and fined. Quite right too!

To think some political parties in this country are saying refugees are welcome. Surely those who want to welcome them should pay for them?

Deport every one of them including visa overstayers as it?s shambolic and costing tax payers a fortune which can not be sustained. Immigration lawyers must be absolutely minted in this country!

[WBA123]

Not content with thousands entering the country illegally we now have this:

The government can't say with accuracy how many visa overstayers there are in Britain - no data has been collated for five-and-a-half years.

One Immigration lawyer believes there could be as many as 400,000 living across the country.

Harjap Singh Bhangal described the situation as a "shambles".

"The Home Office doesn't have any accurate data because we don't have exit controls. It's a shambles. It's an institution where every wall in the building is cracked,

Illegal immigration is almost zero now in the USA and their Esta entry system tracks every non US citizen on entry and exit with finger prints and photos. Put simply if you overstay your time you are jailed and fined. Quite right too!

To think some political parties in this country are saying refugees are welcome. Surely those who want to welcome them should pay for them?

Deport every one of them including visa overstayers as it?s shambolic and costing tax payers a fortune which can not be sustained. Immigration lawyers must be absolutely minted in this country!

This is one of the reasons I'm in favour of the digital ID Cards being talked about. Right now, there's probably hundreds of thousands of people here undocumented. Surely that would help with this issue?

Yet the people who seem to be most against it is Reform. That party and Farage makes absolutely zero sense to me, particularly about how they attempt to provide solutions to problems like this.

[bordering]

This is one of the reasons I'm in favour of the digital ID Cards being talked about. Right now, there's probably hundreds of thousands of people here undocumented. Surely that would help with this issue?

Yet the people who seem to be most against it is Reform. That party and Farage makes absolutely zero sense to me, particularly about how they attempt to provide solutions to problems like this.

Other countries have systems that work - USA, Hungary Australia
.
We don't need to re-invent the wheel

Pick one and implement it vigorously . Get the system we choose to be supervised by someone who has seen their system work

That is the problem we won't implement it

I am against ID cards because they will be used to watch over us all and be used against the law abiding majority.



The government Labour and Tory have lacked the will not the means

They don't want to control immoigration. This lot don't even want to maintain our way of life

[baggieal]

Other countries have systems that work - USA, Hungary Australia
.
We don't need to re-invent the wheel

Pick one and implement it vigorously . Get the system we choose to be supervised by someone who has seen their system work

That is the problem we won't implement it

I am against ID cards because they will be used to watch over us all and be used against the law abiding majority.



The government Labour and Tory have lacked the will not the means

They don't want to control immoigration. This lot don't even want to maintain our way of life

Some good points Bordering. I would copy the USA ESTA system where you citizens have to apply before entering so any criminal record like the USA then a person is not allowed in. On entry finger prints and photos are taken. Even the EU are having a similar system and in place now. The US charge about 25 pounds for an ESTA and we should charge the same.

Illegals should be kept in camps so they can not roam the streets freely and rape school girls - five in the last month. Getting ridiculous now. Then in the camps after processing illegals should be deported. Any illegal involved in crime should be immediately named and then deported.

We are such a soft country in every sense.

[Albionic68]

This is one of the reasons I'm in favour of the digital ID Cards being talked about. Right now, there's probably hundreds of thousands of people here undocumented. Surely that would help with this issue?

Yet the people who seem to be most against it is Reform. That party and Farage makes absolutely zero sense to me, particularly about how they attempt to provide solutions to problems like this.

Personally speaking I wouldn't trust our incumbent shower of s hit to run me one. A shower that is. The Digital ID system is fraught with potential abuse from those in power. Imagine if you will a world where Reform wins the next election. With a Digital ID system in place they would have access to your mobile phone and could potentially run checks on your movements, finances and place(s) of employment.

Things they could do now of course but with everything about you collated in one nice convenient place that you've indirectly granted them access to. Tell me of a world where you would feel comfortable with Nigel Farage and co having direct physical access to the pocket you keep your mobile in. Doesn't read very well does it? A bloke called Nigel rifling through the personals in your pocket when you go to the loo. Just saying 😉 .

[Albionic68]

Some good points Bordering. I would copy the USA ESTA system where you citizens have to apply before entering so any criminal record like the USA then a person is not allowed in. On entry finger prints and photos are taken. Even the EU are having a similar system and in place now. The US charge about 25 pounds for an ESTA and we should charge the same.

Illegals should be kept in camps so they can not roam the streets freely and rape school girls - five in the last month. Getting ridiculous now. Then in the camps after processing illegals should be deported. Any illegal involved in crime should be immediately named and then deported.

We are such a soft country in every sense.

Can't see those measures having a huge impact on illegal entry to a country. Unless the illegal entrants decide to enter the country via an airport or a ferry terminal of course. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas though 😂 .

[Albionic68]

Other countries have systems that work - USA, Hungary Australia
.
We don't need to re-invent the wheel

Pick one and implement it vigorously . Get the system we choose to be supervised by someone who has seen their system work

That is the problem we won't implement it

I am against ID cards because they will be used to watch over us all and be used against the law abiding majority.



The government Labour and Tory have lacked the will not the means

They don't want to control immoigration. This lot don't even want to maintain our way of life

Death to the Digital ID system.

[baggiematt]

So surely if you dont have a digital ID card, it can be assumed you arent a citizen. Feels like a good idea to me!

[Omegstrat6]

Reform and populism are continuing to grow as we sleep walk into dangerous times. No doubt about it that the failings of both the Conservative Party and now Labour have contributed massively to this. Perhaps we should pay a bit more attention to what is happening in the US to see where this may lead us and belatedly learn from it.

Trump got in largely because of the failure of the Democrats and the liberal elite to effectively address the growing concerns of very many ordinary Americans who felt themselves let down and ignored. One easy scapegoat, as always in times of economic difficulties, was not only illegal immigration but immigration as a whole. Any of that ring any bells?

If Starmer actually demonstrated that he and his government could take a far tougher stance on immigration, and illegal immigration particularly, we might stand a chance of avoiding some of the problems that the US is currently facing (and belatedly waking up to) with their Toddler in Charge. Not that sorting immigration alone will make much difference in reality to the whole array of issues we face in this country (much of it inherited by Starmer btw). Trump has successfully curbed illegal immigration in the US, bringing it back down significantly from some of the figures seen under Biden yet this has made little or no difference to the vast majority of Americans-including increasing numbers of the MAGA crowd. Despite his continuous lies and bragging, over 73% of Americans are unhappy with Trump's economic policies according to latest polls. In this country, do people seriously think that Farage could do any better?

Trump is a dangerous buffoon. His attack on Europe was based on far right theories around European culture being in imminent danger of being over-thrown by Islamic immigrants and claims that they were weak, decayed and over-woke. He has no intention of supporting Ukraine and recently leaked documents suggest that he would encourage the right-leaning leaders of countries such as Italy, Austria and Hungary to break away from the EU whilst actively supporting right wing political parties such as Reform in the UK, National Rally in France, Vox in Spain and AfD in Germany. He clearly fancies Meloni and has a kind of bromance with Orban with whom he agreed to allow an exemption that enables Hungary (a NATO member) to continue to buy Russian oil. The White House has denied the leaked reports-anyone believe them?

There was lots of talk in the early 2000s about a semi-mythical New World Order but we are currently seeing this come to a slightly different objective. Trump would seem happy to let Taiwan fall to the Chinese and Ukraine to Russia, China can have its sphere of influence (including sharing Africa with Russia), Russia can have theirs (including Eastern Europe) and he will concentrate on South America (probably because its not so far away and has the word "America" in its name).

The Jon Stewart show (amongst others) pointed out Trump's hypocrisy over Venezuela. Amongst Trump's election promises was one to keep out of foreign entanglements like Iraq and another to stop the flow of drugs into the US. His attacks on Venezuelan fishing boats are partially based on claims that they were part of drug trafficking operations against the US, fentanyl in particular. There is no doubting that there are large drug cartlels in the country but the fact is that Venezuela is not a great source of fentanyl. The irony of the Trump administration's decrying America's war in Iraq as one that was one based on seeking regime change and oil under the false guise of looking for WMD, is that they are doing nearly exactly that with Venezuela. They even use the same terms, calling the influx of drugs into their country "weapons of mass destruction". Trump wants a regime change there and he wants access to their natural resources such as gold (his favourite) and oil. Despite all his gab about seizing the "shadow" oil tanker -and this is true, it was-and his claims that the country is involved in illegal oil trafficking (again, true) he has also granted Chevron an exemption to operate in Venezuela. Moreover, for all his anti-drugs talk, he did recently pardon former president of Honduras and drug lord, Juan Hernandez, because he felt that the Biden administration had been too harsh on him. You can always count on Donnie to talk tough on issues but grant exemptions and pardons whenever they may suit him personally.

All this, of course, is purely about the US and their current POTUS and whilst some of Trump's actions will almost inevitably impact on ourselves, they are not our own issues. I'm just saying that whilst I am in complete agreement that both illegal and legal immigration into this country needs to be urgently tackled, we should be careful what we wish for if Labour fail to get to grips with it and Reform are voted into power. I don't think that Nige is as bad as Trump but quite apart from him sharing similar personality traits and beliefs (not least, his grifting) with the Orange One, I certainly do not see him having either the intellect or ability to begin to resolve the array of issues we face in the UK.

[baggieal]

So surely if you dont have a digital ID card, it can be assumed you arent a citizen. Feels like a good idea to me!

Do not mind it really because if you have nothing to hide why should you care. For example this card would also track your movements ie you would be scanned from your passport in exiting the country. So those who go on holiday and are on benefits you would quite rightly have your benefits stopped.

In terms of illegals they should be placed in processing camps where they can not roam the streets freely to rape school kids ( five in the last month ) and once they are processed they should be deported. Those entering illegally should also pay an entry fee ( like an Esta ) and if they can not pay it until processing then deportation should be immediate, The USA and Trump may be a lot of things but there is almost zero percent illegals entering and tolerance. Our homeless should have priority of single male immigrants coming from countries like Afghanistan where it?s normal to have s ex with 12 year olds FFS,

[Omegstrat6]

So surely if you dont have a digital ID card, it can be assumed you arent a citizen. Feels like a good idea to me!

Quite apart from any concerns over Big Brother-esque state control, this would surely be quite a costly thing to introduce though Matt and with no guarantees that those criminal elements with the means of doing so would not find ways around it. Any technology always seems to be in this constant fight between authorised users and those who want to either mis-use those systems or avoid them. If digital IDs were introduced (and the vast number of holders will, of course, be perfectly legit) what is to stop some criminal enterprises hacking into them to extract personal data? I agree that tighter controls are needed but just think that this is not the way to do so. As a society, we already seem over reliant on tech systems rather than physical man (person!) power to solve issues.

[SwedishBaggie]

George Orwell ?1984?.

People like Trump and Farage (and others with no sense of democracy, decency and integrity) would love to be able to totally control their citizens - if you criticize them you?re scr*wed, basically.

[baggieal]

George Orwell ?1984?.

People like Trump and Farage (and others with no sense of democracy, decency and integrity) would love to be able to totally control their citizens - if you criticize them you?re scr*wed, basically.

What about a swap - we take in a boat full of gorgeous blond Swedish girls in exchange for giving you a boat full of single Afghans?

[SwedishBaggie]

What about a swap - we take in a boat full of gorgeous blond Swedish girls in exchange for giving you a boat full of single Afghans?

If you include Mason in the swap, I?ll take under consideration? 😜

[baggiematt]

Quite apart from any concerns over Big Brother-esque state control, this would surely be quite a costly thing to introduce though Matt and with no guarantees that those criminal elements with the means of doing so would not find ways around it. Any technology always seems to be in this constant fight between authorised users and those who want to either mis-use those systems or avoid them. If digital IDs were introduced (and the vast number of holders will, of course, be perfectly legit) what is to stop some criminal enterprises hacking into them to extract personal data? I agree that tighter controls are needed but just think that this is not the way to do so. As a society, we already seem over reliant on tech systems rather than physical man (person!) power to solve issues.

Your data is everywhere Omeg. That horse has -already bolted.