Goodbye Starmer

[baggieal]

This idiot will be toast and can not see him surviving this. The majority of the country will hope the useless and spineless one walks:

Sir Keir Starmer has been forced to give government documents relating to Lord Mandelson's appointment to parliament's intelligence and security committee following a Labour rebellion. Follow the latest.

[Grand Wazoo]

This idiot will be toast and can not see him surviving this. The majority of the country will hope the useless and spineless one walks:

Sir Keir Starmer has been forced to give government documents relating to Lord Mandelson's appointment to parliament's intelligence and security committee following a Labour rebellion. Follow the latest.

Good riddance to the odious sack of sh*t.

[Leicesterbaggie]

Lets put it this way, if he did know he should not have appointed him and if he did not know, he should have done.

[baggieal]

Good riddance to the odious sack of sh*t.

Good one Wazoo - that made me laugh. The most disgusting and weak individual within this broken country!

[kettering_baggie]

Good riddance, if he does go but there is a caveat; the replacement could be worse. Angela Rayner, anyone? There isn’t a single MP in the Labour Party fit to be PM, the entire party is unfit to govern. General election, please!

[baggieal]

Good riddance, if he does go but there is a caveat; the replacement could be worse. Angela Rayner, anyone? There isn’t a single MP in the Labour Party fit to be PM, the entire party is unfit to govern. General election, please!

Here here! Totally agree Ketts! Rayner should not even be anywhere near the party when defrauding the tax payer!

[Omegstrat6]

Hate to say it guys, but I really don't think that Starmer will go and there won't be a General Election either as Labour will still serve the term they were elected for regardless of how poor they have been.

Those members of the Labour Party that are currently being very vocal in their criticisms of Starmer have been long time critics and I believe that most in the party will want to soldier on with him simply because there is no obvious other centrist leader and they won't want to risk further splitting the party by moving too far to the left.

Don't get me wrong, I dislike Starmer too, particularly as a leader. Too often he falls foul of (quite avoidable) problems of his own making simply because he consistently fails to "read the room" or properly think through the next steps of policies. The resultant U-turns make him look weak and inept. I forget which Labour MP criticised his government for not getting things right first time, but he wasn't wrong!

Even if there were to be a GE, I personally would have no faith in any of the other parties that they could turn this country around-especially Reform. It genuinely worries me that, if there was an election, many would vote Farage & Co. into power. Not only do I dislike so much of what Reform stands for, but I also believe they haven't got much of a clue beyond all the rhetoric and deflection surrounding immigration. Lets face it, Trump's only genuine election promise achievement has been his successful curbing of illegal immigration but has this benefited the majority of Americans as he claimed it would? Are inflation or unemployment figures down? Is access to housing, education or healthcare improved? Is serious crime down? The answer is no. I'm not saying that illegal immigration is not a problem in this country because it clearly is, but solving it will certainly not be a cure all for the myriad of problems this country faces.

It is always much easier to be in opposition than in power for any party because they are mostly able to just find fault and criticise, rather than have to find solutions to mostly complex problems. It is a lot harder to have to actually govern, something that Nige himself seemed to have acknowledged in his recent interview with Laura Kuenssberg. One of the issues, or course, is lack of experience and many Reform led councils have found that the promises they made in their elections around saving money while improving services have been very hard to make good on. The reality is that there are no easy answers to the complex situations local councils face and, in some cases, Reform councils have had to increase council tax to fund the improvements they promised whilst some others have seen rather ugly and public fall outs. The latter is something Nige noted. He was quite prepared to stand up and justify his own decisions or behaviour, but having to also shoulder the blame for mistakes made by other party members-particularly MPs or councillors-was more difficult- though he readily acknowledged that this was all part of the job of being party leader. Even if leaders take action against bad behaviour or decisions from their party members, these still leave their mark and tarnish reputations.

The above is certainly not to excuse Starmer. As with the Abd El-Fattah case, he was clearly ill advised but whatever he may claim about other people failing to do due diligence, he himself was-yet again-guilty of an alarming level of mis-judgement. (And who, in all seriousness, would believe Mandelson?)

Despite all his failings, I think you are all going to be disappointed and Starmer will survive yet another cluster f uck. The truly sad thing for me, is that I can see no genuine viable alternative to either him as leader (though I quite like Burnham) or to Labour 😞

[WBA123]

Good riddance, if he does go but there is a caveat; the replacement could be worse. Angela Rayner, anyone? There isn’t a single MP in the Labour Party fit to be PM, the entire party is unfit to govern. General election, please!

Give me the alternatives.....

Farage who has helped make this country £100bn per year worse off because of Brexit and couldn't organise a pi55 up in a brewery

Or the Tories who had 15 years in charge and made everything worse.

Take your pick.

Starmer isn't brilliant, I get that. But the other options are much worse than this.

[baggieal]

Give me the alternatives.....

Farage who has helped make this country £100bn per year worse off because of Brexit and couldn't organise a pi55 up in a brewery

Or the Tories who had 15 years in charge and made everything worse.

Take your pick.

Starmer isn't brilliant, I get that. But the other options are much worse than this.

I will take my pick thanks! Kemi runs rings around that idiot at Question Time. The most weak and gutless PM ever and most business leaders can?t stand him or the girl from accounts. More U turns than a teenager with a new car!

Maybe he should look at that Italian leader who is strong, respected and takes no nonsense on illegal immigration which the majority do not want. Your OK with Starmer though if you have more than two kids, love benefits thrown at you and your an illegal reliant on food and shelter. Shame about the homeless though who I do work for with a local charity! They get f uck all!

[Leicesterbaggie]

Give me the alternatives.....

Farage who has helped make this country £100bn per year worse off because of Brexit and couldn't organise a pi55 up in a brewery

Or the Tories who had 15 years in charge and made everything worse.

Take your pick.

Starmer isn't brilliant, I get that. But the other options are much worse than this.

You mention Farage and the Tories, what you do not mention is another scenario and that would be Rayner taking over. Now, that would be real disaster movie time. I would not have that woman in charge of a dogs home!

[baggieal]

You mention Farage and the Tories, what you do not mention is another scenario and that would be Rayner taking over. Now, that would be real disaster movie time. I would not have that woman in charge of a dogs home!

Rayner would be good at putting more tax payers money in her pocket but then again the tool makers son still enjoys free corporate hospitality at the Emirates and can?t see how this represents the government and oh the free flat for his son from Ali is very nice friend 😂. Rayner would also no doubt increase benefits and soon under labour your get more in benefits, pip and child tax credits than going to work on the minimum wage.

[Albionic68]

You mention Farage and the Tories, what you do not mention is another scenario and that would be Rayner taking over. Now, that would be real disaster movie time. I would not have that woman in charge of a dogs home!

I wouldn't be averse to her wearing a muzzle and locking herself in one of the cages with a big fk off padlock though .

[Albionic68]

Rayner would be good at putting more tax payers money in her pocket but then again the tool makers son still enjoys free corporate hospitality at the Emirates and can?t see how this represents the government and oh the free flat for his son from Ali is very nice friend 😂. Rayner would also no doubt increase benefits and soon under labour your get more in benefits, pip and child tax credits than going to work on the minimum wage.

I could probably put up with all of that so long as she promised not to talk to me or sit on my face .

[baggieal]

You mention Farage and the Tories, what you do not mention is another scenario and that would be Rayner taking over. Now, that would be real disaster movie time. I would not have that woman in charge of a dogs home!

I could probably put up with all of that so long as she promised not to talk to me or sit on my face .

Exactly Dan! Laid more times than a mangy old mattress 😭😭😭

[Omegstrat6]

Exactly Dan! Laid more times than a mangy old mattress 😭😭😭

Too much protesting going on here boys-I reckon that you and 68 secretly fancy her 😂