Trumps latest comment.

[Albionic68]

😂Indeed 68, that might explain a few things! I was thinking more along the lines of incontinence from the other end though. Have you not seen those clips of him sitting behind his desk in the Oval office, flanked by his normal bunch of sycophants and giving a press conference when there appears to be a kind of farting noise, the woman immediately behind him screws up her face and aids very abruptly clear the press from the room? 😁

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Got be honest. No, I haven't seen or heard him Trumping along. In fairness it's very rare I ever watch his interviews. Hard to believe the future of the so called free world is in the hands of such an apparently dangerous sociopath with no qualms about how agencies within his own government close down protest.

[Omegstrat6]

Evening Omeg
I dislike Trump myself for reasons of corruption and greed but that said his popularity in the US is still around 39% which is double that to Starmer here.

Taking Trump out of the equation for a moment we can?t afford in my view to upset the US - already there are many over there saying they should pull out of NATO and what do they get in return. Many would say the rest of the NATO Allies should stick the middle finger up to Trump over Ukraine. I agree with the sentiment but along with Poland the US still contribute more support and financial aid than anyone else. If the USA left us to our own devices with Ukraine I believe Putin would advance rapidly as he sees Europe as weak and we are! We are even too scared to touch the billions of Russian assets in Brussels. The UK used to have a military strength feared by most but Christ who would come to our defence now if attacked. It took over a week for one warship to leave to help protect Cyprus and believe me our forces there are embarrassed. I know this first hand because a close family member is there flying a typhoon as Mick knows as he?s seen the photos.

We need the US on side in my view despite thoughts of Trump and whilst many would say we were right not to enter the war - the lack of oil flowing now becomes a collective problem!

This article is spot on in my view;

UK should play greater role in defending Strait of Hormuz, former MI6 chief says
The former head of MI6 says that the UK should be playing a greater role in the Iran war.
Sir Richard Dearlove says: "We have a massive economic and national interest in the Strait of Hormuz."
He explains: "We should be contributing to the security of the Strait, and maybe the Royal Navy has expertise, which would be very valuable.
"Unfortunately, it withdrew its minesweepers from there.
"We're already involved in this conflict. We can't sort of stand aside and say it's nothing to do with us. Unfortunately, it's a lot to do with us."
The government says it is currently considering how to help reopen the waterway after the Iranian regime effectively closed it to Western shipping, with threats of attacks.
The passage is a key route for oil shipments travelling through the Middle East, and has caused prices to soar.

Morning Al, hope you are good

Don't disagree with a lot of what you have posted.

The opening lines of Sun Tzu's Art of War are something like "The art of war is of ***** importance to the state. It is a matter of life or death, a road either to safety or to ruin". In other words, being able to have the capability to defend itself should be a cornerstone of any country. We ignore this advice at our peril.

The end of the Cold War and growing stability and prosperity in Europe led to a kind of complacency over military investment by many, not least the UK. There might not have been the need to maintain the same levels as at the height of the Cold War but successive governments from Labour, through the Coalition and then the more recent Conservatives have eroded our military capabilities far below any minimum requirement. We no longer have either the numbers in personnel nor hardware and, on top of that, the MoD have been guilty of squandering millions on failed or overpriced projects. It is not only embarrassing, it is dangerous. But it is hardly all down to Starmer who is trying to increase defence spending in very tough economic times.

Whilst Europe allowed its defence expenditure to dwindle (not least because it stupidly thought that post -traditional Communist Russia and China would no longer pose such a threat to them), America kept investing in its military. Their Cold War involvement in Korea and Vietnam were over but they had eyes on the Middle East particularly. They tried to sell it as them being the protectors of democracy, but really it was about protecting their own assets there (oil especially) which often meant regime change to one that they could work with. It didn't matter whether these regimes were authoritarian or not, just that they could provide stability in the region and be ones friendly to the US.

Trump was right (though his rhetoric included the normal lies and exaggerations), European NATO countries did overly rely on the US and let the Americans carry too much of the burden and costs to support the alliance. But even then there are nuances. Some multi billion US companies liked the fact that Europe was dependent on them for their weapons and their upkeep-after all, it made them money!

I totally agree that we should forge stronger defensive links with our European partners plus other allies like Canada, Australia and Japan and try and wean ourselves off our over dependence on the US. The latter, however, has more to do with the nature of Trump himself. The relationship between the UK and the US in terms of intelligence sharing and military support and co-operation is long standing and won't just disappear like that. Once Trump is out of office, many will hope for a return to a "normalisation" in the relationship of the two countrys.

As for what Dearlove says about the Strait of Hormuz, I mostly agree with him. Trumps actions have caused this mess but we cannot just say "you started it, you clear it up" and walk away because, from a pragmatic point of view, the repercussions of Trumps Ill-thought out attack will have severe economic consequences for the UK. We need to protect UK interests- but I'm with Starmer in that the caveat must remain that we are not then drawn into the broader war.

The Strait needs protecting, but the very moot point, is how exactly this can be done effectively. Trump seems obsessed with sheer military might but that does not work in many situations. While he is too stupid to realise this, Starmer is not. Trump criticises Starmer for being too weak and wanting time to consult with his team first but just what is wrong with taking a considered approach?

There are no easy solutions. To begin with the UK doesn't have the ships to send in the first place (the last mine sweeper we had in the Gulf returned for a much needed refit in late Jan) and whilst the RN does have the expertise and hybrid anti-mine technology, how do we most effectively deploy this?

Moreover, the Iranians will likely only want to use mines to close the Strait as a last option as they need the funds from allowing tankers from allies such as India to continue to operate. The more pressing issues is then how to defend slow moving tankers laden with highly explosive oil. Can we really do this simply by deploying naval escort vessels anymore? I doubt it. The war in Ukraine has shown that cheap and plentiful drones -both airborne and waterborne-can be very effective against shipping and difficult to protect against. Even small high speed power boats could be used. Warfare is changing and if Starmer has to put UK service men and women in danger surely it is only right that he properly evaluates the risks and potential gains first? Trump's hung-ho attitude might appeal to his gun toting Maga supporters but that hasn't worked out so well so far has it?

I sadly think this is going to be a far more drawn out process before any kind of stability returns to the region. Thanks Donald and Bibi!

[baggieal]

Morning Al, hope you are good

Don't disagree with a lot of what you have posted.

The opening lines of Sun Tzu's Art of War are something like "The art of war is of ***** importance to the state. It is a matter of life or death, a road either to safety or to ruin". In other words, being able to have the capability to defend itself should be a cornerstone of any country. We ignore this advice at our peril.

The end of the Cold War and growing stability and prosperity in Europe led to a kind of complacency over military investment by many, not least the UK. There might not have been the need to maintain the same levels as at the height of the Cold War but successive governments from Labour, through the Coalition and then the more recent Conservatives have eroded our military capabilities far below any minimum requirement. We no longer have either the numbers in personnel nor hardware and, on top of that, the MoD have been guilty of squandering millions on failed or overpriced projects. It is not only embarrassing, it is dangerous. But it is hardly all down to Starmer who is trying to increase defence spending in very tough economic times.

Whilst Europe allowed its defence expenditure to dwindle (not least because it stupidly thought that post -traditional Communist Russia and China would no longer pose such a threat to them), America kept investing in its military. Their Cold War involvement in Korea and Vietnam were over but they had eyes on the Middle East particularly. They tried to sell it as them being the protectors of democracy, but really it was about protecting their own assets there (oil especially) which often meant regime change to one that they could work with. It didn't matter whether these regimes were authoritarian or not, just that they could provide stability in the region and be ones friendly to the US.

Trump was right (though his rhetoric included the normal lies and exaggerations), European NATO countries did overly rely on the US and let the Americans carry too much of the burden and costs to support the alliance. But even then there are nuances. Some multi billion US companies liked the fact that Europe was dependent on them for their weapons and their upkeep-after all, it made them money!

I totally agree that we should forge stronger defensive links with our European partners plus other allies like Canada, Australia and Japan and try and wean ourselves off our over dependence on the US. The latter, however, has more to do with the nature of Trump himself. The relationship between the UK and the US in terms of intelligence sharing and military support and co-operation is long standing and won't just disappear like that. Once Trump is out of office, many will hope for a return to a "normalisation" in the relationship of the two countrys.

As for what Dearlove says about the Strait of Hormuz, I mostly agree with him. Trumps actions have caused this mess but we cannot just say "you started it, you clear it up" and walk away because, from a pragmatic point of view, the repercussions of Trumps Ill-thought out attack will have severe economic consequences for the UK. We need to protect UK interests- but I'm with Starmer in that the caveat must remain that we are not then drawn into the broader war.

The Strait needs protecting, but the very moot point, is how exactly this can be done effectively. Trump seems obsessed with sheer military might but that does not work in many situations. While he is too stupid to realise this, Starmer is not. Trump criticises Starmer for being too weak and wanting time to consult with his team first but just what is wrong with taking a considered approach?

There are no easy solutions. To begin with the UK doesn't have the ships to send in the first place (the last mine sweeper we had in the Gulf returned for a much needed refit in late Jan) and whilst the RN does have the expertise and hybrid anti-mine technology, how do we most effectively deploy this?

Moreover, the Iranians will likely only want to use mines to close the Strait as a last option as they need the funds from allowing tankers from allies such as India to continue to operate. The more pressing issues is then how to defend slow moving tankers laden with highly explosive oil. Can we really do this simply by deploying naval escort vessels anymore? I doubt it. The war in Ukraine has shown that cheap and plentiful drones -both airborne and waterborne-can be very effective against shipping and difficult to protect against. Even small high speed power boats could be used. Warfare is changing and if Starmer has to put UK service men and women in danger surely it is only right that he properly evaluates the risks and potential gains first? Trump's hung-ho attitude might appeal to his gun toting Maga supporters but that hasn't worked out so well so far has it?

I sadly think this is going to be a far more drawn out process before any kind of stability returns to the region. Thanks Donald and Bibi!

Good thanks Omeg. Starmer is only speaking about raising the percentage GDP though because the US told the Allies to get their act together. Where will Starmer find this extra 1%?
You can be sure the illegals or those on benefits will not suffer because of this😭

As you say there?s no easy solutions which is why a super power like Russia can?t defeat Ukraine. The Iran Regime are an ideology who will die until the last.

I was eyeing another trip to Dubai but will put that on hold for now.

[Omegstrat6]

Really quite a few more recent statements from Trump to choose from but I like this one from yesterday's Oval Office press conference.

"The President of the United States, Gavin Newsom, admitted that he has learning difficulties, dyslexia..uh, everything about him is...dumb" 😂😂😂

(Newson is the Governor of California who recently published a book which includes references to the difficulties he had managing with his dyslexia over the years.)

[Omegstrat6]

Morning Omeg. If this was you suggesting the orange faced man baby may have a UTI then I'm inclined to agree as I imagine he probably has. It would certainly offer some explanation for much of his fuzzy thinking, irritability and generally random thought processes .

Just been reminded of a Times Radio (affiliated with the Times newspaper group) interview with American psychologist, Dr Gartner, as part of their Trump Report on youtube. Gartner patiently explains why he believes Trump has both "malignant narcissism" and dementia and provides plenty of demonstrable evidence from Trump's own actions and words to support this view. He will only get worse, he (accurately) predicts.

To many, the above seems obvious but this YouTube clip is now four months old and yet he is still in power and the consequences of his increasingly bizarre decision making are getting ever more dangerous. Why is he still POTUS? Forget his swollen ankles, the weird marks on his hand and neck, even his rumoured incontinence, he clearly is not mentally fit for office.

[Albionic68]

Just been reminded of a Times Radio (affiliated with the Times newspaper group) interview with American psychologist, Dr Gartner, as part of their Trump Report on youtube. Gartner patiently explains why he believes Trump has both "malignant narcissism" and dementia and provides plenty of demonstrable evidence from Trump's own actions and words to support this view. He will only get worse, he (accurately) predicts.

To many, the above seems obvious but this YouTube clip is now four months old and yet he is still in power and the consequences of his increasingly bizarre decision making are getting ever more dangerous. Why is he still POTUS? Forget his swollen ankles, the weird marks on his hand and neck, even his rumoured incontinence, he clearly is not mentally fit for office.

Thank you Omeg. I'll have a look at that when I get a chance. Frankly and at the same time sadly it doesn't come as a surprise. Ironically enough some of the comments he aimed at Biden during his re election could have been directed at himself given his proven track record for burbling like a burst @rsehole.

Putin and what's his face in China must be laughing their rollocks off at how easily they can dance around him. Whilst I would always wish everyone and their loved ones well during cognitve decline and poor health the simple truth from the outside appears to be he's less than fit for office. And probably never was either.

[baggieal]

Thank you Omeg. I'll have a look at that when I get a chance. Frankly and at the same time sadly it doesn't come as a surprise. Ironically enough some of the comments he aimed at Biden during his re election could have been directed at himself given his proven track record for burbling like a burst @rsehole.

Putin and what's his face in China must be laughing their rollocks off at how easily they can dance around him. Whilst I would always wish everyone and their loved ones well during cognitve decline and poor health the simple truth from the outside appears to be he's less than fit for office. And probably never was either.

But Biden and Trump won?t go the Pearly Gates and have 50 virgins waiting for them 😭😭😭

[Albionic68]

But Biden and Trump won?t go the Pearly Gates and have 50 virgins waiting for them 😭😭😭

Just as well given Trump's alleged and yet to be proven one hundred and thousandandmanysmilingteeth involvement with a bloke who reportedly managed to trip over and choke himself to death via something hanging from the ceiling.

As an aside it's 72 virgins. Something I've never been able to get my head around really as each virgin returns to a state of virginity at the end of the day. Apparently.

I wonder whether the Jihadihavingyourheadoffs have considered the prospect they may be shagging the same unappealing fat nucts other people wouldn't touch with an IED for an eternity 🤔?

[Omegstrat6]

Given its title, this thread could just go on and on...😂

Having sat down with the Prime Minister of Japan in an effort to persuade them to join his war on Iran, Dementia Don then demonstrated his diplomatic prowess by referencing Pearl Harbour when asked by a reporter why he had not consulted with his Allies first, before launching his attack on Iran.

All the late night hosts-Kimmel, Colbert, Stewart etc-along with many political commentators are having a field day with the Toddler in Chiefs continued contradictory statements/ lies/ bragging/ grifting and general stupidity but now the right leaning media too are increasing the pressure and it isn't helping that Trump has surrounded himself with sycophantic idiots to try and field their questions.

Hegseth, meanwhile, has asked Congress for a mere 200 billion dollars more for this war that was apparently won on the first day according to his Dear Leader. Understandably, this has gone down like a lead balloon. With his ratings looking likely to drop below the 39% and his joint "excursion" with Bibi proving almost as unpopular at home as it is with America's allies, the Toddler in Chief is now throwing yet another tantrum, calling his Allies "cowards" for complaining about the rising cost of oil but not helping him to keep the Strait of Hormuz open which, he says, "now that the fight is militarily WON" would be "easy" to do.

Regardless of how hateful the regime in Iran is-I) He started this (illegal) war and created this situation.2) If he has won it, why does he need a further 200 billion dollars? 3) Keeping the Strait open is NOT easy because escort ships alone are not sufficient to protect slow moving tankers from attacks by drones. If this really was "easy" then the US Navy would have already accomplished it.

One of the best ways to deal with either a narcissist or a toddler having a tantrum is to ignore them. To engage with them is like providing oxygen to a fire. Let's see how the NATO allies respond. It would be funny if they did just decide to turn their backs and ignore him completely just to see Trumps reaction to that and what tonight's angry midnight tweets will be.

[baggieal]

Given its title, this thread could just go on and on...😂

Having sat down with the Prime Minister of Japan in an effort to persuade them to join his war on Iran, Dementia Don then demonstrated his diplomatic prowess by referencing Pearl Harbour when asked by a reporter why he had not consulted with his Allies first, before launching his attack on Iran.

All the late night hosts-Kimmel, Colbert, Stewart etc-along with many political commentators are having a field day with the Toddler in Chiefs continued contradictory statements/ lies/ bragging/ grifting and general stupidity but now the right leaning media too are increasing the pressure and it isn't helping that Trump has surrounded himself with sycophantic idiots to try and field their questions.

Hegseth, meanwhile, has asked Congress for a mere 200 billion dollars more for this war that was apparently won on the first day according to his Dear Leader. Understandably, this has gone down like a lead balloon. With his ratings looking likely to drop below the 39% and his joint "excursion" with Bibi proving almost as unpopular at home as it is with America's allies, the Toddler in Chief is now throwing yet another tantrum, calling his Allies "cowards" for complaining about the rising cost of oil but not helping him to keep the Strait of Hormuz open which, he says, "now that the fight is militarily WON" would be "easy" to do.

Regardless of how hateful the regime in Iran is-I) He started this (illegal) war and created this situation.2) If he has won it, why does he need a further 200 billion dollars? 3) Keeping the Strait open is NOT easy because escort ships alone are not sufficient to protect slow moving tankers from attacks by drones. If this really was "easy" then the US Navy would have already accomplished it.

One of the best ways to deal with either a narcissist or a toddler having a tantrum is to ignore them. To engage with them is like providing oxygen to a fire. Let's see how the NATO allies respond. It would be funny if they did just decide to turn their backs and ignore him completely just to see Trumps reaction to that and what tonight's angry midnight tweets will be.

Yes he?s stupid Omeg but I do agree with the word he used to describe NATO - cowards and Putin knows this. Many in the US are now saying let NATO without the USA deal with the Ukraine situation. Whether we like it or not - if the US said Ukraine is not our problem then Putin would rub his hands in glee. The US along with Poland are the largest financial providers to Ukraine by far. The US would need a years notice through Congress to pull out of NATO but nothing stopping them from walking away from the Ukraine problem just like that idiot in Hungary,

For me the allies should help with the strait because without oil flowing costs are spiralling out of control so it?s become everyone?s problem.

NATO are pathetic with Hungary blocking the next huge financial package to UK and they are still dithering about the billions of Russian assets tied up in Brussels. International Law - what a joke!

Starmer says he feels for households with rising costs. What a complete t wat as he only feels for the illegals and those on benefits. Fuel duty will still go ahead - unbelievable! Then again it could be another U turn.

We need to take Trump out of the equation and let him ramble on but in my opinion keep the US on side. I don?t believe our one ship has even reached Cyprus yet 😭.

[Omegstrat6]

Yes he?s stupid Omeg but I do agree with the word he used to describe NATO - cowards and Putin knows this. Many in the US are now saying let NATO without the USA deal with the Ukraine situation. Whether we like it or not - if the US said Ukraine is not our problem then Putin would rub his hands in glee. The US along with Poland are the largest financial providers to Ukraine by far. The US would need a years notice through Congress to pull out of NATO but nothing stopping them from walking away from the Ukraine problem just like that idiot in Hungary,

For me the allies should help with the strait because without oil flowing costs are spiralling out of control so it?s become everyone?s problem.

NATO are pathetic with Hungary blocking the next huge financial package to UK and they are still dithering about the billions of Russian assets tied up in Brussels. International Law - what a joke!

Starmer says he feels for households with rising costs. What a complete t wat as he only feels for the illegals and those on benefits. Fuel duty will still go ahead - unbelievable! Then again it could be another U turn.

We need to take Trump out of the equation and let him ramble on but in my opinion keep the US on side. I don?t believe our one ship has even reached Cyprus yet 😭.

Afternoon Al, hope you are well

If Starmer is not considering helping to defend the strait, then I would certainly disagree with that decision but my impression is that he has said that he will defend UK interests and that this includes helping to keep the Strait open, shipping moving and consequently ease the pressure on oil prices. The issues are -as raised earlier-1) that we embarrassingly lack the ships to send in the first place and 2) that escort vessels alone are unlikely to be able to protect such slow moving tankers from drone attacks. If it were as easy as Trump suggests, the US Navy would surely have already done it. The current delay, I believe, is in consulting how to best achieve the objective on keeping the Strait open.

As for fuel duty, of course the governments needs as much revenue as they can get, but totally agree with you that to continue with the planned increase at this point is wrong and will hit many. As you say, another U-turn ahead?

Regarding the UK's relationship with the US, whilst Trump has certainly caused tensions between the two, that relationship is surely too long standing to end and intelligence sharing and military co-operation and support will very likely continue. The US is clearly the "bigger" partner, but to end the relationship would benefit neither. I genuinely think that many-likely on both sides-are waiting for Trump to leave office and for some course of normality to resume!.

You're dead right about Hungary. Trump isn't the only divisive factor in NATO. Obran is a conservative and a Eurosceptic who pleased Russia and angered his NATO partners with his stance against Ukraine. Makes you wonder why the country is even a member of the alliance but, as with the US, this may be more down to their current leader than anything else.

Hungary relies heavily on Russian gas and oil as well as trade and Obran is close to Putin. But Obran is also currently trying to cozy up to Trump. Many of Obran's conservative beliefs match up with those of Trump's MAGA supporters and the Toddler in Chief praises Obran in return. Obran is currently facing stiffer opposition at home from the more liberal Tisza party but with Putin behind him, helping to engineer the election, I cannot see him not being re-elected again.

[baggieal]

Afternoon Al, hope you are well

If Starmer is not considering helping to defend the strait, then I would certainly disagree with that decision but my impression is that he has said that he will defend UK interests and that this includes helping to keep the Strait open, shipping moving and consequently ease the pressure on oil prices. The issues are -as raised earlier-1) that we embarrassingly lack the ships to send in the first place and 2) that escort vessels alone are unlikely to be able to protect such slow moving tankers from drone attacks. If it were as easy as Trump suggests, the US Navy would surely have already done it. The current delay, I believe, is in consulting how to best achieve the objective on keeping the Strait open.

As for fuel duty, of course the governments needs as much revenue as they can get, but totally agree with you that to continue with the planned increase at this point is wrong and will hit many. As you say, another U-turn ahead?

Regarding the UK's relationship with the US, whilst Trump has certainly caused tensions between the two, that relationship is surely too long standing to end and intelligence sharing and military co-operation and support will very likely continue. The US is clearly the "bigger" partner, but to end the relationship would benefit neither. I genuinely think that many-likely on both sides-are waiting for Trump to leave office and for some course of normality to resume!.

You're dead right about Hungary. Trump isn't the only divisive factor in NATO. Obran is a conservative and a Eurosceptic who pleased Russia and angered his NATO partners with his stance against Ukraine. Makes you wonder why the country is even a member of the alliance but, as with the US, this may be more down to their current leader than anything else.

Hungary relies heavily on Russian gas and oil as well as trade and Obran is close to Putin. But Obran is also currently trying to cozy up to Trump. Many of Obran's conservative beliefs match up with those of Trump's MAGA supporters and the Toddler in Chief praises Obran in return. Obran is currently facing stiffer opposition at home from the more liberal Tisza party but with Putin behind him, helping to engineer the election, I cannot see him not being re-elected again.

Good thanks Omeg! We need a win tomorrow mate!

Will it be a stitch up with Trump doing another term? Never say never 😭

See the top chap Hewitt at Border Force has left today after 18 months with absolute chaos with small boats. Illegal immigration needs massively sorting!!?

[On Balance]

Given its title, this thread could just go on and on...��

Having sat down with the Prime Minister of Japan in an effort to persuade them to join his war on Iran, Dementia Don then demonstrated his diplomatic prowess by referencing Pearl Harbour when asked by a reporter why he had not consulted with his Allies first, before launching his attack on Iran.

All the late night hosts-Kimmel, Colbert, Stewart etc-along with many political commentators are having a field day with the Toddler in Chiefs continued contradictory statements/ lies/ bragging/ grifting and general stupidity but now the right leaning media too are increasing the pressure and it isn't helping that Trump has surrounded himself with sycophantic idiots to try and field their questions.

Hegseth, meanwhile, has asked Congress for a mere 200 billion dollars more for this war that was apparently won on the first day according to his Dear Leader. Understandably, this has gone down like a lead balloon. With his ratings looking likely to drop below the 39% and his joint "excursion" with Bibi proving almost as unpopular at home as it is with America's allies, the Toddler in Chief is now throwing yet another tantrum, calling his Allies "cowards" for complaining about the rising cost of oil but not helping him to keep the Strait of Hormuz open which, he says, "now that the fight is militarily WON" would be "easy" to do.

Regardless of how hateful the regime in Iran is-I) He started this (illegal) war and created this situation.2) If he has won it, why does he need a further 200 billion dollars? 3) Keeping the Strait open is NOT easy because escort ships alone are not sufficient to protect slow moving tankers from attacks by drones. If this really was "easy" then the US Navy would have already accomplished it.

One of the best ways to deal with either a narcissist or a toddler having a tantrum is to ignore them. To engage with them is like providing oxygen to a fire. Let's see how the NATO allies respond. It would be funny if they did just decide to turn their backs and ignore him completely just to see Trumps reaction to that and what tonight's angry midnight tweets will be.

Top post Omeg.

Trump has become a national embarrassment to the USA. He has in one year destabilised the world and caused death and hardship on a scale never seen before for decades, if at all, by a western Government.

Trump started this mess in the Middle East. He said it is won, he said he did not want any help. He got what he asked for.

We, as a nation and NATO do not need to support this war criminal in his antics. Would anyone support a criminal in an illegal action and consider there would be no reprisals.

We need to stay out of this disgraceful leaders problems, particularly ones he created.

Trump is a shocking President and he will go down in history as being such.

[baggieal]

Maybe now the USA will walk away from Ukraine as the largest financial contributors along side Poland. If that happened I am sure brave NATO countries will step up and have Mr Putin quaking in his polished shoes 😭😭😭😭

[baggieal]

Another U turn but one that was inevitable because oil must start flowing:

UK ministers confirm US to use British bases to degrade Iranian missile sites
British ministers have met to discuss Iran's targeting of unarmed commercial shipping, civilian infrastructure and its blocking of the Strait of Hormuz, Downing Street says.
They confirmed the US would use UK bases in the "collective self-defence" of the region, including "defensive operations" degrading missile sites used to attack ships in the Strait of Hormuz.
"They agreed that Iran's reckless strikes, including on Red Ensign vessels and those of our close allies and Gulf partners, risked pushing the region further into crisis and worsening the economic impact being felt in the UK and around the world."