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Hi Soulman, as ever, thanks for posting. Tbh, jazz isn't my favourite genre but I think you can always learn something from every style of music and incorporate it into your own playing and this guy's teaching method I found quite good.Originally posted by soulman101 View Post
As for jazz, it has its own different forms anyway of course as it's developed. I like singers like Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday and musician wise I like Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker and some Miles Davies. Jazz guitar wise, I really like the gypsy jazz of Django Reinhardt and some of Charlie Christian, Wes Montgomery and George Benson.
Reinhardt aside, I prefer more bluesy jazz or something more accessible for my un-tutored ears! I appreciate the musicianship of other jazz guitar greats, but most of it doesn't do a lot for of me personally as it all seems a bit too self indulgent and reminds me of that Fast Show "Jazz Club" skit 😀
What I do like though, is some of the guitar shapes you can learn and work into your own playing beside just the bog standard major and minor ones that most pop music is based on. A lot of 60s Soul records-as I know you appreciate- use some nice passing chords which I'm beginning to slowly get better at understanding and using. I also found Wes Montgomery's octave style playing (something Benson uses) a nice technique to learn.
Anyhow, hope you and yours are well and thanks again for posting👍
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"Wonderful World" and "We have all the time in the world" are my two favourites of his Al. I like his version of "Mack the knife" too, though I'm a bit less enamoured with the New Orleans flavoured show tune "Hello Dolly" or "When the Saints". Jazz aficionados will reference his influential playing on the Chicago recordings with the Hot 5 and 7s from the mid 1920s or the albums he did with Ella Fitzgerald in the 50s but while I enjoy both, it's his later gravel voiced hits I like best.Originally posted by baggieal View PostDo like some jazz singers. One of my favourite songs is Louis Armstrong - Wonderful World which is superb along with God only knows by the Beach Boys. Louis Armstrong singing that song though was unbelievable!
As for other jazz singers, much as I like Ella Fitzgerald, I prefer Billie Holiday. Her earlier recordings were maybe more Blues than Jazz but while she may not have had the over all technical ability or vocal warmth of Fitzgerald, for me, she shows more vulnerability and emotion. Even when her voice had lost a lot of its power and range, that still came across, especially on her Lady in Satin album where her vocals had an orchestral backing for a change.
(Btw, from roughly the same era, I also enjoy Edith Piaf. Completely different in some respects but I don't have to understand French to enjoy that particular Gallic "chanson" style)
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Again, thanks for posting Soulman. I'd forgotten about this. Satchmo and Lady Day together in Holiday's only film from 1947 (though it looks older). Her acting may have been stilted but she could sing.Originally posted by soulman101 View Posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG7aoz0Rpdc Billie Holiday from the movie New Orleans
Btw, trying to get to grips with the jazz lesson you posted. Some nice chord voicings and runs. Will have tocheck out some of his other lessons. It might be labelled as jazz but it's easy to see how blues/ jazz/ soul music all cross over sometimes.
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Hi, I watched the full movie a couple of months ago on You -tube and realy enjoyed it ,but I can't find it now could of been took down .Originally posted by Omegstrat6 View PostAgain, thanks for posting Soulman. I'd forgotten about this. Satchmo and Lady Day together in Holiday's only film from 1947 (though it looks older). Her acting may have been stilted but she could sing.
Btw, trying to get to grips with the jazz lesson you posted. Some nice chord voicings and runs. Will have tocheck out some of his other lessons. It might be labelled as jazz but it's easy to see how blues/ jazz/ soul music all cross over sometimes.
If i do find it I will post it .
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Go tme a bargin comming tomorow from E bay, I've after a Red label fender hardcase for my 1998 Fender Usa deluxe,ash body transparent teal with a roller nut.
But when I brought it came with a new Gator case, finally got the Fender case.
I've been after one for a couple years, but the prices have been crazy , my wife has said in the past just buy one . But I always feel guilty buying for my self , but I enjoy treating my wife and family.
Any way I saw this one Monday, which I thould was a starting price of ?40 when my checked for me it was a buy now , couldn't click fast enough, so with postage got for ?53.
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Not surprised you snapped that up Soulman!. I got my own Strat in the mid 80s second hand which came with the Fender tweed case. The case alone now retails at about £160.Originally posted by soulman101 View PostGo tme a bargin comming tomorow from E bay, I've after a Red label fender hardcase for my 1998 Fender Usa deluxe,ash body transparent teal with a roller nut.
But when I brought it came with a new Gator case, finally got the Fender case.
I've been after one for a couple years, but the prices have been crazy , my wife has said in the past just buy one . But I always feel guilty buying for my self , but I enjoy treating my wife and family.
Any way I saw this one Monday, which I thould was a starting price of ?40 when my checked for me it was a buy now , couldn't click fast enough, so with postage got for ?53.
I've long wanted a Gibson 335 or, failing that, an Epiphone Casino but both are out of my price range so when I saw a Hartwood Revival with tremelo arm on offer from Gear4Music at £199 I managed to persuade the better half to let me have it as a combined birthday/ Xmas present. Of course it isn't the same quality as the 335 or Casino but at £350 cheaper than the Epiphone, it really is excellent value for money. The problem is trying to find an affordable case-preferably a hard case-that it will fit because of the tremolo arm. Nowhere near the £160 that the Fender case costs new but hard to justify when I just play it at home and don't cart it about so I'm still keeping it in the card box it came in at the moment. Keeps the dust off but not a lot of protection otherwise😀
Anyhow, glad you managed to find your bargain!
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I’m not into jazz at all; I know a bloke that plays bass, I suspect that he plays jazz ok but when he plays pop and rock ‘n roll, he’s terrible; I have to share bass playing duties with him in my ukulele band and it is very frustrating, he is awful, loses the beat and tries to add in fancy bass riffs that are just not appropriate to the songs! OK, so that’s my little gripe out of the way! Jazz is just not for me, I’m into country, country rock, folk, bluegrass and the like. I have just bought a lap steel guitar, very difficult, I don’t know if I will ever get to grips with it! Has anyone else on here tried the lap steel? If you like that genre of music, take a listen to Larkin Poe. Brilliant.
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I listen to Larkin Poe .Originally posted by kettering_baggie View PostI?m not into jazz at all; I know a bloke that plays bass, I suspect that he plays jazz ok but when he plays pop and rock ?n roll, he?s terrible; I have to share bass playing duties with him in my ukulele band and it is very frustrating, he is awful, loses the beat and tries to add in fancy bass riffs that are just not appropriate to the songs! OK, so that?s my little gripe out of the way! Jazz is just not for me, I?m into country, country rock, folk, bluegrass and the like. I have just bought a lap steel guitar, very difficult, I don?t know if I will ever get to grips with it! Has anyone else on here tried the lap steel? If you like that genre of music, take a listen to Larkin Poe. Brilliant.
For those who havn't
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Really enjoyed that! I've read the name in passing but never actually listened to them so many thanks to Kett's and yourself for making me aware-will definitely check them out further👍Originally posted by soulman101 View Post
I've had a steel slide myself for years which I (attempt to!) use with my Strat but have sadly yet to master any real control of it beyond a few fills. I'm not over keen on some of the styles of music it's used on, like Hawaiian or Bluegrass, but enjoy it when used in blues or blues/rock-though there are always cross-overs. I've got Joe Brown's Ukulele album, for example, which covers all sorts of songs in different genres and slide and pedal guitar are used to good effect on a few tracks.
Whenever I think of slide players, I tend to think of the likes of Elmore James, Ry Cooder, Johnny Winter, Duane Allman, Bonnie Raitt or Derek Trucks. I also really like the distinctive tone that George Harrison developed though through playing slide in standard tuning and in a more melodic and less bluesy style.
I think the story goes with Harrison that he eventually realised that he had begun too late to properly master the sitar and, being increasingly frustrated at the group dynamics within the Beatles, spent some time in the US jamming with people like Dylan. In this new environment and coming under other influences, he re-discovered his love of guitar playing and was also encouraged to develop his slide playing. In late 69 he briefly supported Delaney and Bonnie on tour where I think he first started playing slide more.
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I found it difficult enough trying to play slide using a steel "bottle neck" on my Strat but have never played a proper lap steel. My understanding is that they have markers but no actual raised frets but don't know if this makes them easier or harder to play? I assume they are mostly six string and played in an open tuning?
Anyhow, it's early days Ketts and I'm sure you will get there. Its always frustrating at times when you first start to learn a different instrument but I'm sure the rewards will be worth the effort!
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