Henry Nowak 999 call

[soulman101]

Gets even worse . If the brother had called an ambulance he could of been saved .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNfCGi69tH4

[baggieal]

Gets even worse . If the brother had called an ambulance he could of been saved .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNfCGi69tH4

Well I have spoken to two cops who are close to the family and both say the situation was truly appalling and yes it?s two tier. Manchester airport - say no more!

[soulman101]

Well I have spoken to two cops who are close to the family and both say the situation was truly appalling and yes it?s two tier. Manchester airport - say no more!

Hi Al ,I haven't watched the all body cam couldn't watch it .
Has the brother been charged ? Well he should be .

[On Balance]

Soulman, the real issue here is this. Whatever went wrong cannot be undone. The family of Henry Nowak stated categorically that they did not want this to become whaț it has. They want the truth, they seek answers and they without any doubt they deserve them at the very least.

Henry’s parents made a statement stating exactly that. They also stated they did not want their son’s death and urged that the tragedy not be used to inflame division, hatred, or hostility. They specifically stated, "we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension."

What happened in Southampton when a group of hundreds attacked police is a disgrace to memory of Henry Newark and was the absolute opposite of what the Newark family wanted.

These idiots are no better and are equal to the lynch mobs of centuries ago and I do hope the law courts come down heavily on them. The problem with social media is that it is so easy in this age to communicate and get a frenzied mob to meet.

The country needs sorting, there is much wrong, we all see that. But what happened in Southampton is not the answer. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Paul Thorpe comes across a fool. He is whipping up public disharmony. I have watched the clip and the gentleman is barely capable of stringing a sentence together. Much, if not all he says, is with hindsight. Who watches people like him. He is doing more harm than good and is doing the opposite to what that poor young man’s family wanted.

It was a heinous crime perpetrated by an individual and his family who clearly have no respect for others. The Digwa family are culpable of assisting their family member and hopefully the mother and the brother of Vickrum Digwa will be dealt with. I would imagine they will have trouble continuing to live in the community they currently do.

I do often feel for the families of those that have been found guilty of wrong doing, because of the shame, the embarrassment and that they may become social outcasts through no fault of their own. I have no such feeling for the Digwa family, as they are as equally evil as their son is in my eyes.

I think we should remember and respect the Newark’s family request which was, “we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension."

Modern day lynch mobs are not the answer.

I have hopefully edited out all the question marks. Apologies if I have missed one or two. Can the site administrator not sort these issues out.

[kettering_baggie]

OB, well said.

[soulman101]

Soulman, the real issue here is this. Whatever went wrong cannot be undone. The family of Henry Nowak stated categorically that they did not want this to become whaț it has. They want the truth, they seek answers and they without any doubt they deserve them at the very least.

Henry?s parents made a statement stating exactly that. They also stated they did not want their son?s death and urged that the tragedy not be used to inflame division, hatred, or hostility. They specifically stated, "we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension."

What happened in Southampton when a group of hundreds attacked police is a disgrace to memory of Henry Newark and was the absolute opposite of what the Newark family wanted.

These idiots are no better and are equal to the lynch mobs of centuries ago and I do hope the law courts come down heavily on them. The problem with social media is that it is so easy in this age to communicate and get a frenzied mob to meet.

The country needs sorting, there is much wrong, we all see that. But what happened in Southampton is not the answer. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Paul Thorpe comes across a fool. He is whipping up public disharmony. I have watched the clip and the gentleman is barely capable of stringing a sentence together. Much, if not all he says, is with hindsight. Who watches people like him. He is doing more harm than good and is doing the opposite to what that poor young man?s family wanted.

It was a heinous crime perpetrated by an individual and his family who clearly have no respect for others. The Digwa family are culpable of assisting their family member and hopefully the mother and the brother of Vickrum Digwa will be dealt with. I would imagine they will have trouble continuing to live in the community they currently do.

I do often feel for the families of those that have been found guilty of wrong doing, because of the shame, the embarrassment and that they may become social outcasts through no fault of their own. I have no such feeling for the Digwa family, as they are as equally evil as their son is in my eyes.

I think we should remember and respect the Newark?s family request which was, ?we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension."

Modern day lynch mobs are not the answer.

I have hopefully edited out all the question marks. Apologies if I have missed one or two. Can the site administrator not sort these issues out.

I agree with you I was angry when the riots started and also think it woud have been worse if the scumbag family were Muslim.
If the brother had only asked for an ambulance and the Police had acted properly, there was a window of nearly 20 minutes to save him . That is the heart break .

[baggieal]

I agree with you I was angry when the riots started and also think it woud have been worse if the scumbag family were Muslim.
If the brother had only asked for an ambulance and the Police had acted properly, there was a window of nearly 20 minutes to save him . That is the heart break .

Agreed Lloyd. In cases which are crystal clear like this one - the scum should be executed or taken out whilst inside. I hope the latter and its slow.

[On Balance]

I agree with you I was angry when the riots started and also think it woud have been worse if the scumbag family were Muslim.
If the brother had only asked for an ambulance and the Police had acted properly, there was a window of nearly 20 minutes to save him . That is the heart break .

Absolutely agree Soulman. He was never going to do so was he, he was more concerned with making them the victims than helping someone who was dying. That is what it was all about once the murderous act had been done. That is exactly what these despicable types are like. They try to make themselves the victims when they have put themselves in a position they had not envisioned being in. I recall a judge saying this in a case, and I guess it has been said many times, “you would not carry a knife if you did not intend to use it.”

I sincerely hope the whole Digwa family come under scrutiny and have to pay for the part they played in young Henry Newark’s death and that Vickrum Singh Digwa rots in jail for the rest of his pathetic life.

I have noticed that even if you edit all the stupid question marks out of a sentence and the post is accepted in its correct edited form, if another poster quotes it, the quote has all the errors contained. Has anyone got access to the administrators of the site to get this issue sorted. It does make many posts difficult to read.

[kettering_baggie]

The site administrators never respond, I have tried many times to make contact but never an answer is forthcoming. Perhaps they’re based in North Korea?

[Omegstrat6]

Soulman, the real issue here is this. Whatever went wrong cannot be undone. The family of Henry Nowak stated categorically that they did not want this to become whaț it has. They want the truth, they seek answers and they without any doubt they deserve them at the very least.

Henry’s parents made a statement stating exactly that. They also stated they did not want their son’s death and urged that the tragedy not be used to inflame division, hatred, or hostility. They specifically stated, "we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension."

What happened in Southampton when a group of hundreds attacked police is a disgrace to memory of Henry Newark and was the absolute opposite of what the Newark family wanted.

These idiots are no better and are equal to the lynch mobs of centuries ago and I do hope the law courts come down heavily on them. The problem with social media is that it is so easy in this age to communicate and get a frenzied mob to meet.

The country needs sorting, there is much wrong, we all see that. But what happened in Southampton is not the answer. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Paul Thorpe comes across a fool. He is whipping up public disharmony. I have watched the clip and the gentleman is barely capable of stringing a sentence together. Much, if not all he says, is with hindsight. Who watches people like him. He is doing more harm than good and is doing the opposite to what that poor young man’s family wanted.

It was a heinous crime perpetrated by an individual and his family who clearly have no respect for others. The Digwa family are culpable of assisting their family member and hopefully the mother and the brother of Vickrum Digwa will be dealt with. I would imagine they will have trouble continuing to live in the community they currently do.

I do often feel for the families of those that have been found guilty of wrong doing, because of the shame, the embarrassment and that they may become social outcasts through no fault of their own. I have no such feeling for the Digwa family, as they are as equally evil as their son is in my eyes.

I think we should remember and respect the Newark’s family request which was, “we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension."

Modern day lynch mobs are not the answer.

I have hopefully edited out all the question marks. Apologies if I have missed one or two. Can the site administrator not sort these issues out.

Good post OB!

This tragic incident has -rightly-attracted public attention and there are certainly lessons to be learnt and issues to be addressed but knee-jerk reactions, especially those driven by pre-conceived views, won't help.

As for those members of the Digwa family who sought to cover up evidence of Henry's murder by their son/brother rather than help the dying young man, it can only be hoped that they are dealt with as accomplices in his murder and are treated with the severity this warrants.

I also notice that both Vance and Hegseth have (unsurprisingly) waded into the debate in order to further push their administration's agenda regarding immigration in Europe. Taking his cue from the Orange man-baby himself (who never misses an opportunity to promote either himself or his agenda however inappropriate the circumstances) Heggseth hijacked the commemorations of D-Day to pass comment. This current US administration have no shame.

[baggieal]

Good post OB!

This tragic incident has -rightly-attracted public attention and there are certainly lessons to be learnt and issues to be addressed but knee-jerk reactions, especially those driven by pre-conceived views, won't help.

As for those members of the Digwa family who sought to cover up evidence of Henry's murder by their son/brother rather than help the dying young man, it can only be hoped that they are dealt with as accomplices in his murder and are treated with the severity this warrants.

I also notice that both Vance and Hegseth have (unsurprisingly) waded into the debate in order to further push their administration's agenda regarding immigration in Europe. Taking his cue from the Orange man-baby himself (who never misses an opportunity to promote either himself or his agenda however inappropriate the circumstances) Heggseth hijacked the commemorations of D-Day to pass comment. This current US administration have no shame.

Morning Omeg. No problem for me with a response from the US especially when we were one of the first to wade in on a smack head scum bag who held a pregnant lady who thought she was going to die. That was a USA issue. We also sent Mandleson to the White House FFS who was a complete embarrassment

Many are saying players should take the knee for Henry but for me taking the knee should now completely stop. It would not be good publicity to take the knee now when we have the tragic death of Henry. In any event politics should not be brought into football. I go to football games to switch off and not see all the b ollox!

[Omegstrat6]

Morning Omeg. No problem for me with a response from the US especially when we were one of the first to wade in on a smack head scum bag who held a pregnant lady who thought she was going to die. That was a USA issue. We also sent Mandleson to the White House FFS who was a complete embarrassment

Many are saying players should take the knee for Henry but for me taking the knee should now completely stop. It would not be good publicity to take the knee now when we have the tragic death of Henry. In any event politics should not be brought into football. I go to football games to switch off and not see all the b ollox!

Afternoon Al. Its not that I don't believe that Trump, Vance, Heggseth etc should not have a right to express their opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. But it's about expressing them in an appropriate manner and at an appropriate time. We know Trump has no filter but these are statesmen and statesman representing one of the most powerful and influential nations in the world to boot so, IMHO, I would expect more grace.

The claims regarding the threat of immigration to Europe which inform part of Trump's recent National Security Strategy may indeed hold some grains of truth but the language used by Trump, Vance, Heggseth and others is too frequently deliberately decisive and incendiary -the very opposite of what the parents of Henry Novak would wish at this time. And Heggseth hijacked the commemoration of D-Day which should have been about remembering all those who gave their lives fighting Nazism.

I'm in total agreement with you regarding the taking the knee for Henry, mostly because that moment has long gone and it will mostly smack of mere virtue signalling and will achieve very little if anything.

As for politics in sport-or acting or music come to that-in general, I would agree that it should play no part but then there are surely always exceptions where sportsmen (or actors or musicians) might be right to use their profile as a platform to express their personal views.

Many disagreed strongly with the Black Power salute by the two African-American medallists at the 1968 Olympic games for example, but was it really so wrong to raise the issue of Civil Rights at this time and expose the hypocrisy where Black Americans might be feted as musicians and sportsmen by their country but still face discrimination at home? And the 2-tone movement and Rock Against Racism in the UK did do a lot of good in fighting the National Front and promoting racial unity while Sinead O'Connor was proven right about the behaviour of the Catholic Church. Robert DeNiro may anger many of the MAGA crowd with his views but was Bogart wrong to voice his support for the Hollywood Ten against the House of Un-American Activities Commitee?

I think it's a bit of a tricky one. Maybe it is also a bit different for individual musicians or bands as opposed to actors or sportsmen/ women in as much that you can choose not to listen to them if you don't want the politics bit and their politics may only become an issue if they play as part of a concert or festival (O'Connor again with the reaction she got when playing as part of the Dylan 30th Anniversary concert). Individual sportsmen/ women however either perform in events or as part of a team and actors perform as part of an ensemble so it's difficult for either to be viewed in isolation and their political views reflect on others around them.

The Beatles quietly refused to play to segregated audiences in the American South during their touring years but always later regretted playing the "showbiz" game of not using their celebrity as a platform to pass comment on Vietnam or Civil Rights. Were they wrong to do so?

[baggieal]

Afternoon Al. Its not that I don't believe that Trump, Vance, Heggseth etc should not have a right to express their opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. But it's about expressing them in an appropriate manner and at an appropriate time. We know Trump has no filter but these are statesmen and statesman representing one of the most powerful and influential nations in the world to boot so, IMHO, I would expect more grace.

The claims regarding the threat of immigration to Europe which inform part of Trump's recent National Security Strategy may indeed hold some grains of truth but the language used by Trump, Vance, Heggseth and others is too frequently deliberately decisive and incendiary -the very opposite of what the parents of Henry Novak would wish at this time. And Heggseth hijacked the commemoration of D-Day which should have been about remembering all those who gave their lives fighting Nazism.

I'm in total agreement with you regarding the taking the knee for Henry, mostly because that moment has long gone and it will mostly smack of mere virtue signalling and will achieve very little if anything.

As for politics in sport-or acting or music come to that-in general, I would agree that it should play no part but then there are surely always exceptions where sportsmen (or actors or musicians) might be right to use their profile as a platform to express their personal views.

Many disagreed strongly with the Black Power salute by the two African-American medallists at the 1968 Olympic games for example, but was it really so wrong to raise the issue of Civil Rights at this time and expose the hypocrisy where Black Americans might be feted as musicians and sportsmen by their country but still face discrimination at home? And the 2-tone movement and Rock Against Racism in the UK did do a lot of good in fighting the National Front and promoting racial unity while Sinead O'Connor was proven right about the behaviour of the Catholic Church. Robert DeNiro may anger many of the MAGA crowd with his views but was Bogart wrong to voice his support for the Hollywood Ten against the House of Un-American Activities Commitee?

I think it's a bit of a tricky one. Maybe it is also a bit different for individual musicians or bands as opposed to actors or sportsmen/ women in as much that you can choose not to listen to them if you don't want the politics bit and their politics may only become an issue if they play as part of a concert or festival (O'Connor again with the reaction she got when playing as part of the Dylan 30th Anniversary concert). Individual sportsmen/ women however either perform in events or as part of a team and actors perform as part of an ensemble so it's difficult for either to be viewed in isolation and their political views reflect on others around them.

The Beatles quietly refused to play to segregated audiences in the American South during their touring years but always later regretted playing the "showbiz" game of not using their celebrity as a platform to pass comment on Vietnam or Civil Rights. Were they wrong to do so?

Totally agree with you about the tone of the language and comments like we will blow them to hell. Not necessary!

For me though when you are in another country you adhere to their values and way of life. So for me no burkas, flags of other countries, religious knives etc. Could you go to say Dubai and Saudi and express what fits in with your culture and values? Muslims have mosques but praying in Leicester Square etc was confrontational. Could Christians be reciting the bible in shopping areas of the Middie East? No - they would be locked up. We are too tolerant and this feeds into the Police and Judiciary.

I did note that Starmer took six months to communicate with Henry?s parents and you don?t have to compromise anything to reach out!

[Leicesterbaggie]

Totally agree with you about the tone of the language and comments like we will blow them to hell. Not necessary!

For me though when you are in another country you adhere to their values and way of life. So for me no burkas, flags of other countries, religious knives etc. Could you go to say Dubai and Saudi and express what fits in with your culture and values? Muslims have mosques but praying in Leicester Square etc was confrontational. Could Christians be reciting the bible in shopping areas of the Middie East? No - they would be locked up. We are too tolerant and this feeds into the Police and Judiciary.

I did note that Starmer took six months to communicate with Henry?s parents and you don?t have to compromise anything to reach out!

Totally agree with your first two sentences. When we go abroad we always respect and adhere to their customs and values. The problem is that too many people who come to this country want to instil their beliefs and values on us.

[Omegstrat6]

I personally believe that the general tenet of "when in Rome" is a pretty sound one and people should respect the culture and customs of their host country. That said, it is surely understandable if any enclaves of immigrants want to retain elements of their own culture within their communities. Indeed, it would be a bit sad if they did not. The moot point, however, is that these should not then breach the laws of their host country. The UK, for example, has laws on equality that protect the rights of individuals against discrimination on the basis of ***, race, religion, age, disability or ***ual orientation etc. These laws trump any cultural preferences so any immigrants seeking to settle here must adhere to these. Don't like it, don't come. Oh, and by all means speak your own language at home, but learn to speak and understand English if you want to stay.

There is much talk (from the right especially) about waves of immigration from Africa and the Middle East deliberately setting out to change the nature of Western Europe, "taking over" its culture and somehow turning us into a primarily non-white, Muslim, country. Whilst there are undoubtedly some extremist elements amongst those coming into the country who might dream of such a thing, this is overwhelmingly baseless fear mongering.

Nonetheless, history has shown that having large numbers of immigration within a short time period is never a good idea, especially in times of austerity or financial hardship. Divisiveness and conflict has routinely followed in such cases. Far better that any influx is at a much slower and controlled pace so that assimilation is made easier and any sense of encroachment better avoided. Contact with other cultures can certainly enrich our own but IMHO multiculturalism is something which cannot be forced.

Despite the myth of this isle being of Anglo Saxon origin, we are very much a mongrel race-even if our ancestors remain predominantly white European. Exploration and Empire, however, brought us into contact with peoples from across the globe and Britain's colonial past has been a huge driver in the nature and make up of the country's immigrant communities. People can argue until they are blue in the face that Empire and colonialism is "all in the past" but it is the core reason why we have so many from ex-colonial countries like India, Pakistan and the West Indies who have settled here and continue to do so.

Britain has a long history of hosting immigrant communities who have become part and parcel of the fabric of the UK's identity and who have made important contributions to the country's culture but it is surely only right that every effort is made to engender the ideal of unity above differences and both sides have their part to play in this.