OT - Gareth Thomas Wants Gay Chants Criminalized

What rubbish!
As much as I think, this is becoming sillier each year, with gays demanding everything under the sun, this one takes the biscuit.
A private members Bill I gather is to be ranked with the intent to criminalize gay chants at footy matches.

'Section three of the existing act states that "it is an offence to engage or take part in chanting of an indecent or racialist nature at a designated football match.

There is a definition of "racialist" - described as "threatening, abusive or insulting to a person by reason of his colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins".

But there is no definition of what is "indecent", so determining whether something is indecent is considered on a case-by-case basis." (c/o BBC News website)

So what we have is basically up to what they think is indecent.

Whilst I don't disagree that any racist, threatening, downright abusive language and yes indecent chanting should be taken up by prosecution, we cannot have gays decide what they feel like including.

And why is it really an issue, I don't think people go to games with an anti gay agenda and I don't think many gays actually go to matches. Even those that do, they are not targetted and basically I don't see fans going out their way to done out or single out a gay player.

Meanwhile Mr Thomas is using his own personal experience (see link; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wa...itics-44577213) to demand passage.

But why should the public be blamed for his own inadequacies and what did he expect his wife to do when he came out?

I dunno with all this gay movement. Stop whining and go and do your own things. Stop playing the victim card.
Why even bother to declare to the whole world your 'coming out?' it's your personal thing, keep it to your friends and family.

‘His own inadequacies’...what’s that meant to mean Rom? The guy is gay...not inadequate.

Personally I think the problem would be enforcing the law. Unfortunately people in large groups can behave differently but what are the police/stewards meant to do to stop a large group within an even larger group from chanting offensively without exacerbating the situation?

Over the years I’m sure we’ve all heard all sorts of chants which most decent people would describe as offensive.
Racist ones, chants about Munich, about Hillsborough, anti Catholic/Protestant chants, the Harry Roberts one and ones about individuals personal problems etc...e.g. Stan Collymore. Can’t say I’ve heard many homophobic ones but I think they’re all pretty vile and just another example of how stupid people can have their behaviour changed when they become part of the ‘mob mentality’.

Don’t blame ‘Alfie’ at all for seeking this change to the law but whether it would be enforceable or not is a different matter.

Oh inadequacies (for want of a better word) refers to him whining about the stress he felt as a player and the wife leaving him.

I don't get it. He never came out, nobody accused him of being gay or targetted him due to that. Nobody knew. So why all the fuss?

And the wife leaving him nearly ending in suicide. While I don't want such a thing to occur, then again what did he want his wife to do? Thank him?

What we see time and again, is gays blaming others for their predicament. They want their whole experience to be cheered and upon coming out, it's like Christmas, New Years etc rolled into 1. You make a lifestyle choice, good for you.
Why must we celebrate/acknowledge/praise you?

And any single taunt or remark in jest? God help us. All sorts of accusations of meaness, homophobia and a sustained period of chest thumping coupled with their life struggles will follow.

As for chanting, we had a thread some time back. I don't think a bit of of harmless teasing is bad. Like does your boyfriend know you're here or big poofter. But any vile remarks is out like - dirty gay, child fiddler, gay dog, disgusting gay - all these are unacceptable.

But I don't see a need for prosecution, instead a lengthy ban from all games, whether his club or another is involved.

Racism I think is a higher level. Selective prosecution can be used against the worst offenders. Otherwise banning from all football is just as effective I think.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

‘His own inadequacies’...what’s that meant to mean Rom? The guy is gay...not inadequate.

Personally I think the problem would be enforcing the law. Unfortunately people in large groups can behave differently but what are the police/stewards meant to do to stop a large group within an even larger group from chanting offensively without exacerbating the situation?

Over the years I’m sure we’ve all heard all sorts of chants which most decent people would describe as offensive.
Racist ones, chants about Munich, about Hillsborough, anti Catholic/Protestant chants, the Harry Roberts one and ones about individuals personal problems etc...e.g. Stan Collymore. Can’t say I’ve heard many homophobic ones but I think they’re all pretty vile and just another example of how stupid people can have their behaviour changed when they become part of the ‘mob mentality’.

Don’t blame ‘Alfie’ at all for seeking this change to the law but whether it would be enforceable or not is a different matter.

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I think a backlash against LGBT will be the next battleground for the intolerant after immigration. And whilst enforcing a law against those who break it in public is sort-of enforceable, doing so amongst the millions of people who share intolerant views in private is not, or at least not without resorting to 1984-esque or Maoist tactics. IMO we live in a free country, Gareth Thomas should be free to evangelise his gayness, others should be free to express their distaste.

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

I think a backlash against LGBT will be the next battleground for the intolerant after immigration. And whilst enforcing a law against those who break it in public is sort-of enforceable, doing so amongst the millions of people who share intolerant views in private is not, or at least not without resorting to 1984-esque or Maoist tactics. IMO we live in a free country, Gareth Thomas should be free to evangelise his gayness, others should be free to express their distaste.

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Of course...not in any way in favour of the ‘thought police’, but when people use the ‘vehicles’ of large crowds, major occasions or anonymous forums to foster hatred and intolerance of others then surely there have to be laws to protect the intended victims.

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Of course...not in any way in favour of the ‘thought police’, but when people use the ‘vehicles’ of large crowds, major occasions or anonymous forums to foster hatred and intolerance of others then surely there have to be laws to protect the intended victims.

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Yes it's the coward's way but they may see it as the its the best vehicle they have to get a rather crude point across. I don't see it as much worse than what sometimes appears to be indoctrination from 'official' channels, and I'll call out my mates the BBC on that

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

Yes it's the coward's way but they may see it as the its the best vehicle they have to get a rather crude point across. I don't see it as much worse than what sometimes appears to be indoctrination from 'official' channels, and I'll call out my mates the BBC on that

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Who are ‘they’?
What ‘indoctrination’ do you refer to?

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Who are ‘they’?
What ‘indoctrination’ do you refer to?

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'they' are those who think that there is strength in numbers when spreading a message of bigotry - we saw it manifested on here a few weeks ago on the Tommy Robinson thread, wherein DCFCA's chant-like hero-worship of TR showed him IMO to be one of those who feels comfortable hiding in a crowd to make his point but probably not so comfy with making it alone, or for that matter entering into a reasoned debate. Not worth our time of day in my view, but a dangerous and growing minority at present - witness the 'We're not in Europe Anymore' chants in Russia

The indoctrination comes from mainstream media who seem to have been given an agenda from someone, or to have decided on it themselves, to push liberalism down people's throats until (they hope) the population just give up and tow the liberal line. Its my view that this approach of pushing a POV because 'it obviously the right path' is yet another reason Brexit happened - the general population don't like to be told how to think, and seem as willing as ever to 'kick off' recently.

I don't actually think the world has become any more 'tolerant' in recent times, the intolerance has just become more insidious and softly spoken

Yet moe of the snowflake syndrome. Have we all really become so soft that we can't handle anything anymore. There is a thin line between banter and insensitivity.

I would deem "you're all a bunch of gay b*st*rds" to be unacceptable.

I would deem "does your boyfriend know you're here?" as banter.

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

Yet moe of the snowflake syndrome. Have we all really become so soft that we can't handle anything anymore. There is a thin line between banter and insensitivity.

I would deem "you're all a bunch of gay b*st*rds" to be unacceptable.

I would deem "does your boyfriend know you're here?" as banter.

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Very well put MA. Funnily enough I was subject to a dose of good old fashioned abuse this morning, a road rager mouthing 'you fat tw*t!' at me after a perceived roadcrime on the M42. I took it in my stride although I'm not sure how he worked out my ample girth hidden behind the car door.... Any given snowflake would have needed therapy after that hate crime