Dyche - dressing room

I’ve thought about this and motivation is really Sean s forte , but the more I think about it if you have pretty much the same crop of players for extended periods ( years ) , how can you shout motivate change when they have played the system and importantly heard everything you’ve said before for several seasons.

Most top level football clubs change managers in a cycle and importantly players in the same sort of cycles so it doesn’t get a chance to become like we are now.

Ie , the players have played this way and heard everything that Dyche has to say hundreds of times over previously so the pattern hasn’t / won’t/ can’t change as He’s flogging a dead horse , in that he can’t change anything tactically or what he says - So it becomes Stale.

Imo anyway , the players have to change or the manager has to change , commendable it’s might be 10 years but it’s flat and we’re only dropping stuck
On a hamster wheel we can’t get off.

This happend to Wenger at Arsenal ( different level to us I accept) never the less he outstayed his welcome.

Managers can be successful for extended periods but that needs shrewd investment with a good recruitment team.We have had neither.Money generated needs spending on the team not syphoning out of the club like Garlick and ALT did.That sale in my opinion is the reason we are where we are.Look at Newcastle-they got owners who invested and bought their way out of trouble.
This lack of investment limits what tactics Dyche can employ-our midfield is so bad that they are overrun everytime so they dare not venture forward thus Dycheball.We have failed to strengthen the midfield for 4 seasons and here are the results.Everybody knew it needed strengthening but nobody did anything.

The daft thing is I honestly thought the game changing moment was Cornet's miss at the far post. The Burnley lads heads dropped and it seemed to galvanise the Canaries who in real life are much more brittle and less physical than us.

Post match the general opinion was sort out the squad NOW for next season's Championship campaign.

Get rid of the out of contract players and consolidate and strengthen with what we have or additional inbounds.

It's becoming a regular gripe of mine, but why is Dyche starting games with Weghorn; he's simply not good enough. >:(

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

The daft thing is I honestly thought the game changing moment was Cornet's miss at the far post. The Burnley lads heads dropped and it seemed to galvanise the Canaries who in real life are much more brittle and less physical than us.

Post match the general opinion was sort out the squad NOW for next season's Championship campaign.

Get rid of the out of contract players and consolidate and strengthen with what we have or additional inbounds.

It's becoming a regular gripe of mine, but why is Dyche starting games with Weghorn; he's simply not good enough. >:(

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Honestly BT I don’t think Dyche knows how to play Weghorst and Christ knows what he thinks coming here and just being asked to head it against 2/3 centre half’s all the time, I can’t blame him as it goes because you don’t score goals like he has previously without having that instinct - he does as he’s asked to do imo anyway sometimes he chases players down to our own final third and then we kick it straight back up in the air for him to do it all again.

While we’re on it was has Robert’s done wrong to be dropped when I thought tbh he was growing into the position - the whole thing is defunked as if you watch him play for Wales it’s with freedom and whipping balls in to the box for us he’s not allowed forward of the middle third.

Tbh I’m a bit miffed off with all the Dyche would play differently if he had better quality players at his disposal and the club have let him down - he wouldn’t because we are where we are because he chooses not to ever change our shape formation , tactics to help us manage a game.

A dozen posters or more on here and people I sit around can all blatantly see what is happening and has been happening to us for the last 4/5 seasons- the writing was on the wall when Wood jumped ship - he knew it had gone and we were doomed - like my original post says you can’t just keep saying to players do this and this because after a while human nature says - yep heard it all before Sean - we’ll all nod and say we believe but we don’t.

A good comparison has to be Leeds United, they were leaking goals far more than we are and losing games mainly down to their style of play under Bielsa. Their board stepped up to the plate and replaced the manger with one who now plays to the strength of his players rather than a system that is not working.

If only the Burnley board had done the same in January things could have been so much different.

Weghorst’s record in the Bundesliga was good. He has ability but with his feet and his brain.

Dyche is not using those skills but asking him to be another Woods or Barnes. He is not.

Cornet is unique to the team, with pace, flair and an eye for goal. Again, he is being stifled by Dyche’s tactics. He needs balls to run on to as he did in his early matches until Dyche taught him how to play the Burnley way.

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Originally Posted by Swissclaret

Weghorst’s record in the Bundesliga was good. He has ability but with his feet and his brain.

Dyche is not using those skills but asking him to be another Woods or Barnes. He is not.

Cornet is unique to the team, with pace, flair and an eye for goal. Again, he is being stifled by Dyche’s tactics. He needs balls to run on to as he did in his early matches until Dyche taught him how to play the Burnley way.

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The Burnley way.It could be called anti-football, Dycheball, hoof and hope or archaic.I call it feckin awful to watch.

Between 1961 through 1969 when Harry Potts was in charge is the happiest memories I can recall in a long history of watching the Clarets.

Then I watched every game (home & away) we played in the 2015–16 season, which was our first season back in the Football League following our relegation from the Premier League the previous season.

Of course Sean Dyche was in charge and it is right up alongside the vivid memories of my 1960's Burnley experience. Some of the football we played was beautiful to watch as we quite often literally ripped teams apart!

Why Dyche cannot replicate that free flowing, intense style I know not, perhaps it's because the EPL is harder to play in than we give it credit for?

I mentioned last week Dean Smith is no muppet and I think in there lies this season's problem. Other managers have evolved and implement different playing styles (Viera is but one shining example), Dyche has stuck with the 4-4-2 that swept the Championship aside accumulating 93 points along the way, but dinosaurs have a habit of becoming extinct.

What happens next will be of significant historical interest in the context of Burnley Football Club. I hope Alan Pace gets this next phase in our
club's history spot on. :(

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Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier

Between 1961 through 1969 when Harry Potts was in charge is the happiest memories I can recall in a long history of watching the Clarets.

Then I watched every game (home & away) we played in the 2015–16 season, which was our first season back in the Football League following our relegation from the Premier League the previous season.

Of course Sean Dyche was in charge and it is right up alongside the vivid memories of my 1960's Burnley experience. Some of the football we played was beautiful to watch as we quite often literally ripped teams apart!

Why Dyche cannot replicate that free flowing, intense style I know not, perhaps it's because the EPL is harder to play in than we give it credit for?

I mentioned last week Dean Smith is no muppet and I think in there lies this season's problem. Other managers have evolved and implement different playing styles (Viera is but one shining example), Dyche has stuck with the 4-4-2 that swept the Championship aside accumulating 93 points along the way, but dinosaurs have a habit of becoming extinct.

What happens next will be of significant historical interest in the context of Burnley Football Club. I hope Alan Pace gets this next phase in our
club's history spot on. :(

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Good post BT and all true - the Vokes and Ings partnership was something of beauty - Vokes didn’t really get the recognition he deserved a big lad mobile , intelligent, great header of a ball and his link up play was great , Ings I don’t even need to say do I just a great footballer.

During the history of our wonderful club , over the years, we used to be known for playing attractive pure football.In fact , we were renowned for it. It just seemed to carry on down the years in a graceful manner.West Ham were the only other team I can think of who were just like us. The Clarets loyal fans were brought up on it and came to expect it every Saturday afternoon. They were not disappointed.
What we get now is soul destroying to watch, with very little fluency ,and route one tactics ,which are easily worked out by the opposition.
How I wish we had someone in charge to go back to the old days, and an owner who would back him all the way. When we are continually losing games in a fashion that is difficult to watch , it is so disappointing. I doubt anything will radically change , going into next season regardless of where we are.The current situation is desperate for change, . All I want to see ,is a team that plays decent football,and if we lose, then so be it.It’s a lot to ask for, at the moment. But I’d like to think it’s possible.