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Originally Posted by GUNBOAT

The above is a really fair post and as i was sitting in Tannadice yesterday i was asking myself questions like why are we sitting off them from the first whistle?,do we see Hearts as a far better team than us?,is the plan to play for a draw?
I then thought back to The Rangers game and thought why did we think we were good enough to go for the jugular against the Scottish Champions?,did we think we were better than them?,do we really think its sensible to allow the winners of the Championship the freedom of Tannadice but not give the best team in the country a minutes peace?.
Its baffling to me troops and i agree with Spike that in the main i don't think Hearts are all that great and other teams will beat them on their travels.

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It really did feel like an OF game. I kept thinking that during the game. We havent surrendered that much possession to anyone outside the OF in a long long time. John Souttar was almost playing wing back he was that high up the park at times.

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Originally Posted by GUNBOAT

The above is a really fair post and as i was sitting in Tannadice yesterday i was asking myself questions like why are we sitting off them from the first whistle?,do we see Hearts as a far better team than us?,is the plan to play for a draw?
I then thought back to The Rangers game and thought why did we think we were good enough to go for the jugular against the Scottish Champions?,did we think we were better than them?,do we really think its sensible to allow the winners of the Championship the freedom of Tannadice but not give the best team in the country a minutes peace?.
Its baffling to me troops and i agree with Spike that in the main i don't think Hearts are all that great and other teams will beat them on their travels.

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Exactly this. It's so frustrating when we know what the players are capable of but turn in a performance like yesterday.

As long as they show a good level of commitment and an intent to go and win the game, the supporters will get behind them. The fans were very quiet yesterday and it came from the realisation early on that we were witnessing an Ayr/Aberdeen style performance, rather than a St Johnstone/Rangers one.

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Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror

Did anyone go to the pop up 'bar' next to the ground? Me and the two mates were there before the game, it was alright actually. Bit of a queue for the bar but it was well organised and pleasant. The weather helped a great deal mind you. 🙂

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Had a look on the way in TTT but season ticket holders only apparently, GB would have had to sneak me a beer out 😂

The weather was indeed brilliant though

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Originally Posted by tHeArAb

Was he really though? He made 4 saves that I'd be expecting any keeper of Dundee Utd to be making. Two of them looked great but Edwards' header was right at him and Mulgrews free kick was placed exactly where he was positioned for and was at an easy height.

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I genuinely thought the free kick was going to sneak in, looked a top drawer save imo

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Originally Posted by spikeontheright

Exactly this. It's so frustrating when we know what the players are capable of but turn in a performance like yesterday.

As long as they show a good level of commitment and an intent to go and win the game, the supporters will get behind them. The fans were very quiet yesterday and it came from the realisation early on that we were witnessing an Ayr/Aberdeen style performance, rather than a St Johnstone/Rangers one.

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i'd put slightly different slant on that argument, by saying its knowing exactly what players are 'In-capable of' which was part to reason atmosphere became subdued, after about 15 mins yesterday became apparent our players weren't going to be good enough to pass our way through hearts and moves would end up going direct, and we know we know we don't have pace in final third or physical attributes to compete with them, so your are left with encouraging small strikers with no real physical assets to chase down lost causes, which you don't even think they have a chance of winning, its a bit deflating.


Read quite a lot of hype in media about Hearts performance yesterday, despite being the better team for 65-70 mins, they created very little, and then relied on Gordon producing 3 very good saves (definitely not worldies, Edwards header was great reaction but right height, Harkes routine save, and Mulgrew free kick was good save but in areas keeper is set up to cover and right height for him) . A lot easier when you have the resources to go out and buy Gordon, GMS and Boyce.

Not letting us of the hook though, we were poor for 65-70 mins. Disciplined and committed, but mirror image of much of the past 2-3 years in terms of zero pace and lacking creativity.

The forwards work their socks off, but they are definitely part of the problem, if they could win a physical battle or had the pace to get in behind the opponents, that would help bring the whole team up the park, and its easier to score playing football in the opposition half, than being asked to basically pass your way from the back through your entire opponents. Our attempts at that yesterday ended up mostly with us being forced back the way and then hitting it long, Souttar and his fellow defenders must have been rubbing their hands at how easy it was, being asked the same question physically against guys they were dominating.

Harkes/Butcher at least competed, and Watson added a bit of pace. Players injured, Finnish guy to come in, and Rome wasn't built in day, but frustrating and hard to get excited for much of that match yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Arabdownsouth

I genuinely thought the free kick was going to sneak in, looked a top drawer save imo

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Nah it was a very comfortable save. Gordon was guarding that post and that's exactly where it went.

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Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror

Did anyone go to the pop up 'bar' next to the ground? Me and the two mates were there before the game, it was alright actually. Bit of a queue for the bar but it was well organised and pleasant. The weather helped a great deal mind you. 🙂

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Yeh I was there. Cracking weather combined with the following 90 mins meant it was probably the highlight of the day!;)

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Originally Posted by JUSTaway

i'd put slightly different slant on that argument, by saying its knowing exactly what players are 'In-capable of' which was part to reason atmosphere became subdued, after about 15 mins yesterday became apparent our players weren't going to be good enough to pass our way through hearts and moves would end up going direct, and we know we know we don't have pace in final third or physical attributes to compete with them, so your are left with encouraging small strikers with no real physical assets to chase down lost causes, which you don't even think they have a chance of winning, its a bit deflating.


Read quite a lot of hype in media about Hearts performance yesterday, despite being the better team for 65-70 mins, they created very little, and then relied on Gordon producing 3 very good saves (definitely not worldies, Edwards header was great reaction but right height, Harkes routine save, and Mulgrew free kick was good save but in areas keeper is set up to cover and right height for him) . A lot easier when you have the resources to go out and buy Gordon, GMS and Boyce.

Not letting us of the hook though, we were poor for 65-70 mins. Disciplined and committed, but mirror image of much of the past 2-3 years in terms of zero pace and lacking creativity.

The forwards work their socks off, but they are definitely part of the problem, if they could win a physical battle or had the pace to get in behind the opponents, that would help bring the whole team up the park, and its easier to score playing football in the opposition half, than being asked to basically pass your way from the back through your entire opponents. Our attempts at that yesterday ended up mostly with us being forced back the way and then hitting it long, Souttar and his fellow defenders must have been rubbing their hands at how easy it was, being asked the same question physically against guys they were dominating.

Harkes/Butcher at least competed, and Watson added a bit of pace. Players injured, Finnish guy to come in, and Rome wasn't built in day, but frustrating and hard to get excited for much of that match yesterday.

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Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by tHeArAb

Nah it was a very comfortable save. Gordon was guarding that post and that's exactly where it went.

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Other keepers in the league wouldn't have saved all of them I don't think. If one of them had went in w would have got a punt at least IMHO.

Just seen the penalty again, it was soft as ****e. How the ref can be sure there was contract from Edwards where he was I have no idea. BUT, up the other end we'd all be claiming it. 🙂

Hearts gamesmanship yesterday was ****ing ridiculous tbh, players flopping to the ground and the ref stopping the game immediately on 2 occasions when we were in good possession, ****ing joke!

Ridiculous amount of time wasting allowed to happen unpunished too. Exactly my point last week when discussing Pawlett and his dive/non dive. Every other club does this ****, we need to be just as smart too. **** ethics, if you can't beat them join them!