O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

To me, the people who have ended up the worst out of this whole election are the true Democrat supporters, who have put their heart and soul into getting something unelectable, elected.

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In the long run, this may be the kick up the arse the Dems (and the left in general) need to bring them back from the brink of madness. A wake up call of sorts. The sheer arrogance to think they could just choose a black woman as their candidate and that would be enough, regardless of her ability or credibility. That they could just pay rotten A-list celebrities to talk at her rallies and that would be enough. That people would vote for more of the same managed decline of a once great country - and calling the opposition Hitler would be enough.

Again, I'm not a fan of Trump by any means, but the Dems are rotten to the core.

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Originally Posted by slack_pie

In the long run, this may be the kick up the arse the Dems (and the left in general) need to bring them back from the brink of madness. A wake up call of sorts. The sheer arrogance to think they could just choose a black woman as their candidate and that would be enough, regardless of her ability or credibility. That they could just pay rotten A-list celebrities to talk at her rallies and that would be enough. That people would vote for more of the same managed decline of a once great country - and calling the opposition Hitler would be enough.

Again, I'm not a fan of Trump by any means, but the Dems are rotten to the core.

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Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by Jampie

He wasn't just accused he was found guilty in a court of law of multiple counts of criminal fraud to cover up another crime.

In Australia he was rejected (years ago) for running a casino due to mob connections. He wouldn't be leader of either major party here either.

I'm kinda blown away he's won the popular vote tho. It looks like a LOT of people who voted for Biden stayed home for Harris. I'm also kinda disgusted with the USA right now.

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I might be wrong and I definitely stand to be corrected, but I doubt there is one person in the USA that would care less about what you say. You say that you run a business, but your views are so far left wing, I find it extremely hard to believe. Unless you’re business is printing the Red Flag newspaper. Thank you Comerade.

Yeah great post slack, fully agree with you. "Get me a glass of water " Obama was never any good, now looks like a sour loser.

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Originally Posted by slack_pie

The sheer arrogance to think they could just choose a black woman as their candidate and that would be enough, regardless of her ability or credibility. .

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Haven't the Tories just done the same thing? This really isn't about the left. Listen to what Bernie Sanders has to say about the current state of the Democrats. You might remember him as a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for 2020 before Biden pushed him out of the way with the help of powerful friends.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bern...y?id=115582079

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

I might be wrong and I definitely stand to be corrected, but I doubt there is one person in the USA that would care less about what you say. You say that you run a business, but your views are so far left wing, I find it extremely hard to believe. Unless you’re business is printing the Red Flag newspaper. Thank you Comerade.

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Well, prepare to be corrected on both fronts: My business has nothing to do with any form of politics, and I have friends in the US who care what I think.

Edit: also, which of my views are "far left"? Seriously?

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Originally Posted by slack_pie

In the long run, this may be the kick up the arse the Dems (and the left in general) need to bring them back from the brink of madness. A wake up call of sorts. The sheer arrogance to think they could just choose a black woman as their candidate and that would be enough, regardless of her ability or credibility. That they could just pay rotten A-list celebrities to talk at her rallies and that would be enough. That people would vote for more of the same managed decline of a once great country - and calling the opposition Hitler would be enough.

Again, I'm not a fan of Trump by any means, but the Dems are rotten to the core.

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I do hope it's a wake up call for them on several fronts, but none of the top democrat people I've heard or read speaking about her selection said anything like the above.

As I mentioned the day they nominated her, she does have 21 years relevant experience, which is 21 years more than Trump had when he was elected and 17 more than he has now. Any criticism of her qualifications or experience from the right is pure hypocrisy, as was their criticism of Biden's age or mental capacity, given they've elected Donald "THEY'RE EATING THE DORGS" Trump, and as predicted, never once mentioned age again after Biden's withdrawal.

A big factor Harris's nomination, unfortunately, was the lack of time. There wasn't time to do a primary properly, or time to build a campaign apparatus or start raising money from scratch. And given that Harris was already on Biden's ticket, all of his campaign finance and organisation could be transferred over to her - and no other candidate, legally - immediately.

I think if Biden had stepped back from running again at all, and they'd run a legit primary, they'd have had more of a chance. Still pushing it uphill because of the prevailing economic conditions, which are bad for incumbents everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Bohinen

Haven't the Tories just done the same thing? This really isn't about the left. Listen to what Bernie Sanders has to say about the current state of the Democrats. You might remember him as a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for 2020 before Biden pushed him out of the way with the help of powerful friends.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bern...y?id=115582079

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Yeah, they've chosen a black woman to lead them, but not because she's a black woman (although the fact she isn't yet another ex-Eton/Oxford toff is a pleasant change). Whatever you think of her views, she's articulate, smart, and seems a ruthless competitor. She also has clear and consistent views. Kamala was/had none of those things.

What Bernie Sanders said confirms a point I mentioned early that the Dems have become the party of the establishment and liberal metropolitan elite, not the working class. They are totally out of touch with the average American. I hope the Harris debacle makes them realise they need to refocus. I don't necessarily align with Bernie Sanders' politics, but at least you know what he stands for because he has clear and consistent views. What the hell did Harris stand for? What was she offering? I couldn't tell you. Yet somehow she managed to blow a billion-dollar budget on a campaign about nothing.

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Originally Posted by slack_pie

What Bernie Sanders said confirms a point I mentioned early that the Dems have become the party of the establishment and liberal metropolitan elite, not the working class. They are totally out of touch with the average American. I hope the Harris debacle makes them realise they need to refocus. I don't necessarily align with Bernie Sanders' politics, but at least you know what he stands for because he has clear and consistent views. What the hell did Harris stand for? What was she offering? I couldn't tell you. Yet somehow she managed to blow a billion-dollar budget on a campaign about nothing.

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I'm in basic agreement with this paragraph but think a bit more highly of Harris than you do.

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Originally Posted by Lullapie

There lies the problem...again. Accused by who though? Barack and Michelle Obama? Joe Biden's Department of Justice? Tim Walz? Kamala Harris (well her advisors who tell her what to say)? The left-wing media? That is what most of us outside of the US have been fed on.

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Are you suggesting that Trump has done no wrong and is the victim of a witch hunt?

You seem to be.