Mark Ogren....

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Originally Posted by AraBrian

Everyone of fans who have helped and are still helping the club through this have done great like the money they paid for seasons etc but don't think any have put anything like the owner in to save our club and keep it going.I personally would thank him for the money he has invested and keeps investing it has done a lot more to help utd than my season money and other wee bits I do to help.It is also my club has been for a long time so would expect me and others to rally and buy seasons and give donations etc while he is just a business man trying to make a few bob.

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If Mark Ogren is worth what he is supposed to be and BTW that is now a big IF,then on a pro rata basis i and many other fans would be at least on equal terms with the owner on what we have put into the club this season and we arnie FN moaning about it.
Its also a FACT that we are not attempting to make money out of the club,quite the reverse is true.Why am i not hearing Hamilton,ST Mirren,ST Johnstone,Motherwell,Livingston and Kilmarnock slating both government's for not providing financial assistance and asking fans for more money?.
The only other owner of a club roughly our size who has said anything of note was Bill Bowie of Kilmarnock who warned the fans that they would be taking the loan.

Seems to me that some, a few, of our fans are never ever happy.

When the Snake was wanting out there were rumours of an American takeover. Some fans rubbished it as a diversion.

Then when the Ogrens took over a few fans were unhappy because we might be getting bought as his 'plaything'. Yet he invested heavily in buying back our mortgages assets and invested in our youth development strategy.

Then some fans openly mocked his ambition.

Then some fans didn't like TA - and still don't.
They trolled him on Twitter and FB.

What is DUSF if not to support Dundee United?
What is so wrong in the owner asking for the funds to be given unconditionally?
That's where I want my money to go and I'll let the owners decide how to spend it.

If Covid hadn't hit we may have sold a striker for between 2 and 3 million and we may have got a million for our goalkeeper. That's before a rumoured 500k offer for a youth player. That would have been seen as a very good return on initial investment. But Covid did hit and it changed EVERYTHING.

I think a few fans need to calm down and smell the coffee. We are very lucky to have the Ogrens as owners because as James says if they hadn't bought the club we would be in deep sh1t.

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Originally Posted by GUNBOAT

If Mark Ogren is worth what he is supposed to be and BTW that is now a big IF,then on a pro rata basis i and many other fans would be at least on equal terms with the owner on what we have put into the club this season and we arnie FN moaning about it.
Its also a FACT that we are not attempting to make money out of the club,quite the reverse is true.Why am i not hearing Hamilton,ST Mirren,ST Johnstone,Motherwell,Livingston and Kilmarnock slating both government's for not providing financial assistance and asking fans for more money?.
The only other owner of a club roughly our size who has said anything of note was Bill Bowie of Kilmarnock who warned the fans that they would be taking the loan.

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How much is it he is supposed to be worth and why is it a big if?There must be an amount he is worth if you are not happy with the amount of his money he is putting in I would think you would have to know what he is worth and how much of that is disposable so he can just put it into our club would also have to think you would know exactly how much he has put in up to now to complain he is not putting in enough.Well most of us are not moaning about how much the fans have put in but some are they are complaining that the foundation money is being used to help our club when they think it should be kept in the bank and the business man who has said from the very start he is in this to make money should pay for everything.I personally think most members of foundation are happy to give utd the money are raising to help them obviously some are not and probably voted not to help utd doubt it would have made any difference though as I say think most will be happy to help think that is reason most joined foundation.Can't speak for majority of fans but don't think majority would expect owner just to keep punting money in nonstop without some help from fans even if he has unlimited finances.I do agree as I have said that saying season should be stopped etc was stupid and doing business with foundation in public was stupid and just gets some supporters upset.

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Originally Posted by stokearab

Seems to me that some, a few, of our fans are never ever happy.

When the Snake was wanting out there were rumours of an American takeover. Some fans rubbished it as a diversion.

Then when the Ogrens took over a few fans were unhappy because we might be getting bought as his 'plaything'. Yet he invested heavily in buying back our mortgages assets and invested in our youth development strategy.

Then some fans openly mocked his ambition.

Then some fans didn't like TA - and still don't.
They trolled him on Twitter and FB.

What is DUSF if not to support Dundee United?
What is so wrong in the owner asking for the funds to be given unconditionally?
That's where I want my money to go and I'll let the owners decide how to spend it.

If Covid hadn't hit we may have sold a striker for between 2 and 3 million and we may have got a million for our goalkeeper. That's before a rumoured 500k offer for a youth player. That would have been seen as a very good return on initial investment. But Covid did hit and it changed EVERYTHING.

I think a few fans need to calm down and smell the coffee. We are very lucky to have the Ogrens as owners because as James says if they hadn't bought the club we would be in deep sh1t.

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Hearts fans pump thousands if not millions into their club by way of foundation = great fan support.

We start to do the same thing = jealous Dee fans claiming we're going into Admin

If the owner is pumping money into the club I see no reason why he he shouldn't ask the DUSF to contribute funds gathered to support the aims of the club.

And I see no reason why he shouldn't criticise the government who at the time of his comments had offered help to rugby but not to Premiership football.

I'll admit the cancel the league thing was a head scratcher though.

Is it because he had the temerity to criticise the Scottish Government that's winding a few up??

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Originally Posted by stokearab

Seems to me that some, a few, of our fans are never ever happy.

When the Snake was wanting out there were rumours of an American takeover. Some fans rubbished it as a diversion.

Then when the Ogrens took over a few fans were unhappy because we might be getting bought as his 'plaything'. Yet he invested heavily in buying back our mortgages assets and invested in our youth development strategy.

Then some fans openly mocked his ambition.

Then some fans didn't like TA - and still don't.
They trolled him on Twitter and FB.

What is DUSF if not to support Dundee United?
What is so wrong in the owner asking for the funds to be given unconditionally?
That's where I want my money to go and I'll let the owners decide how to spend it.

If Covid hadn't hit we may have sold a striker for between 2 and 3 million and we may have got a million for our goalkeeper. That's before a rumoured 500k offer for a youth player. That would have been seen as a very good return on initial investment. But Covid did hit and it changed EVERYTHING.

I think a few fans need to calm down and smell the coffee. We are very lucky to have the Ogrens as owners because as James says if they hadn't bought the club we would be in deep sh1t.

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Agree with all this.

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Originally Posted by stokearab

Hearts fans pump thousands if not millions into their club by way of foundation = great fan support.

We start to do the same thing = jealous Dee fans claiming we're going into Admin

If the owner is pumping money into the club I see no reason why he he shouldn't ask the DUSF to contribute funds gathered to support the aims of the club.

And I see no reason why he shouldn't criticise the government who at the time of his comments had offered help to rugby but not to Premiership football.

I'll admit the cancel the league thing was a head scratcher though.

Is it because he had the temerity to criticise the Scottish Government that's winding a few up??

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Think you maybe hit nail on head there.

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Originally Posted by stokearab

Seems to me that some, a few, of our fans are never ever happy.

When the Snake was wanting out there were rumours of an American takeover. Some fans rubbished it as a diversion.

Then when the Ogrens took over a few fans were unhappy because we might be getting bought as his 'plaything'. Yet he invested heavily in buying back our mortgages assets and invested in our youth development strategy.

Then some fans openly mocked his ambition.

Then some fans didn't like TA - and still don't.
They trolled him on Twitter and FB.

What is DUSF if not to support Dundee United?
What is so wrong in the owner asking for the funds to be given unconditionally?
That's where I want my money to go and I'll let the owners decide how to spend it.

If Covid hadn't hit we may have sold a striker for between 2 and 3 million and we may have got a million for our goalkeeper. That's before a rumoured 500k offer for a youth player. That would have been seen as a very good return on initial investment. But Covid did hit and it changed EVERYTHING.

I think a few fans need to calm down and smell the coffee. We are very lucky to have the Ogrens as owners because as James says if they hadn't bought the club we would be in deep sh1t.

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I was perfectly happy with everything at the club until the owner asked why are we still playing?,Tony blamed both government's for not providing more financial assistance and the club asking DUSF to empty its bank account giving the impression it was on the brink.
On my last sentence it would be like me asking you for a loan of a tenner when i had a grand in the bank.If you were to ask an average Scottish football supporter which club in Scotland is in big trouble and most affected by the pandemic their answer would be DUFC.
I base that on the interview given by big Tony and widely reported on by the Scottish media,to this date i do not recall any other team in the Premiership releasing anything similar apart from the lunatic running the Sheep.

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Originally Posted by stokearab

Hearts fans pump thousands if not millions into their club by way of foundation = great fan support.

We start to do the same thing = jealous Dee fans claiming we're going into Admin

If the owner is pumping money into the club I see no reason why he he shouldn't ask the DUSF to contribute funds gathered to support the aims of the club.

And I see no reason why he shouldn't criticise the government who at the time of his comments had offered help to rugby but not to Premiership football.

I'll admit the cancel the league thing was a head scratcher though.

Is it because he had the temerity to criticise the Scottish Government that's winding a few up??

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Sorry but that's rubbish the money for ALL sport was announced as one package and there is no FN way i would put politics ahead of United i'm truly amazed that you would think like that.
I will put it in a nutshell the owner and his Sporting Director made an utter chunt of our club with that statement and opened us up to such an extent that an FN Funster was on national radio discussing our finances,that was truly embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by AraBrian

Cheers mate he has pumped £4.7 plus money he spent on shares and the money he has put in since last accounts I honestly think he is doing his bit for the club and really can't understand why some think the foundation putting in £100,000 or a £1,000,000 or any other amount they can raise is wrong?I know peter and other trolls pop on and slag utd fans for giving club money but we know what they are like with money.

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I haven't slagged United fans for giving the club money...fans giving money is the reason my club is still alive...like other people have said on this thread MO has left an open goal for people to have a pop...and I like that 😄💰😄

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Originally Posted by petermackie

I haven't slagged United fans for giving the club money...fans giving money is the reason my club is still alive...like other people have said on this thread MO has left an open goal for people to have a pop...and I like that ������

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The only people having a pop are people who think it is wrong for foundation to give utd money.I doubt you find this wrong but troll GB etc to wind them up about it and make out it is wrong.You're support did chip in and try to help once they got to the 6p in the £.Our foundation is stepping in before it gets to that stage.You having digs about the foundation money does not bother me in the slightest I hate to see utd supporters getting upset about it though and think you going on about it to GB ect does not help.