Election Year or Fear!

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

What stations and where?

An independent Scotland would be perfectly well within their rights to tell Westminster to house UK nukes in the UK. I presume any new Scottish government would keep the various Scots regiments, they would not be disbanding all bases. Part of any "divorce" agreement would be the splitting up of assets and liabilities. Scotland has 8% of the UK populace so they'd be entitled to 8% of the Air Force planes, Navy ships, Army weapons etc. They'd also be entitled to 8% of the nuclear arsenal although they'll probably decline that.

EU. Wouldn't get a shoe in but many EU states have already said they'd welcome an independent Scotland. NATO? Again it wouldn't be a shoe in but they would join. Scots regiments are legendary fighters.

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Are you just being naive or obstinate?

You want a list, here it is. Faslane Vangard base/ Argyle and Bute and Colport, (scotlands biggest miltary employer,) houses Nuclear warheads and all the ND deterrent supplies/ then there is Leuchars, Kinloss, Lossiemouth, Fort George, Royal Marines Condor near Arbroath, and the Hebrides Range. Scotland would have neither the funds/ ships/planes or personnel to man them all.
Yhet may not want the nukes, but they certainly don't want the job losses and loss of revenue those bases bring either.
Considering the massive budget deficit and tax increases that would follow, I couldn't see them man more than a few jeeps and hang gliders.
I know you have a secret wet dream for Jock independence, but I have Jock relatives who in no way want any of it.

I won;t go into all the royal navy contracts that would go in the bin either, as most of the companies located there, would leg it south

Here's a Guardian survey for you Maddy. What they say and what they would accept, may be entirely different.
If they do get independence, the UK public certainly want to poo poo the SNP despite their denials that nothing would change.

The recent British Social Attitudes survey, published in June, found that, although people in Scotland say they are opposed to nuclear weapons (46% against, 36% in favour), when asked for their views on the following statement:

If Scotland becomes independent, Britain’s nuclear weapons submarines should continue to be based here

41% agreed and 37% disagreed. Strikingly, only 26% of those in England and Wales thought Trident should stay in Scotland post-independence; 63% said the submarines should “definitely” or “probably” be moved.

George Galloway wants to "make Rochdale great again" !! What he going to do, open a new co-op?

Talk about delusional

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

George Galloway wants to "make Rochdale great again" !! What he going to do, open a new co-op?

Talk about delusional

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He could ask the police/social services/ council to its jobs. That would be a good start

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

George Galloway wants to "make Rochdale great again" !! What he going to do, open a new co-op?

Talk about delusional

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Talk about prejudiced! Although, tbf, it’ll take a lot longer than GG’s got in office. ;D

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Originally Posted by ramAnag

Talk about prejudiced! Although, tbf, it’ll take a lot longer than GG’s got in office. ;D

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I think you might be wrong, our CO-OP only took 6 weeks to build

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

I think you might be wrong, our CO-OP only took 6 weeks to build

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Fair point. I think Rog was referring to the mid ninete*nth century but I accept the Tories - and thus GG - have probably got 6-9 months.

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

Yes they did. But the question remains why?
1. It was hot potato of race rumbles, they didn't want to deal with
2. The girls being blamed was easier
2. The people complicit in the abuse spread far and wide, which was a road they didn't want to go down. Yep, local councillors were either involved, or part of the cover up.

The whole episode is a blight on British justice and shameful, in the name of multiculturalism and not rocking the boat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlCC...channel=GBNews

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That's where your wrong, race "sensitivity" was part of the equation, but the far bigger issue was the fact that the girls were viewed as "worthless" or contributing to their own situation or even "willing " participants. The same issues were around other grooming gangs where the perpetrators were white. So contrary to your assertion, blaming it on "ethnic sensitivity" was the easier option, rather than admit, that the attitudes of the Police, social workers and other authorities was the key issue.

After all one doesn't have to look very far, to see widespread, misogyny, disregard of women, amongst the Police nationally in cases involving child abuse, domestic abuse not to mention the seemingly inability to bring successful prosecutions for rape

Anyway, the FACT remains that the vast majority of child abuse crimes are committed by white perpetrators. Something you and others like you who label every issue a "race" issue when it really isn't, don't seem to be able to understand. But then if you listen to an echo chamber of your own prejudices then that's hardly surprising.

Its certainly the case that there are issues around race, (although their impact on people like you is actually minimal) but Blaming it on "multi culturalism" is neither helpful nor accurate, you'd do well to actually get information from unbiased sources, rather than parrot the crap spun by people who have an alternative agenda. Until you do, you will just look rather stupid, not to mention a little bit xenophobic.

But I guess at least your prejudices are open, its obvious what you think, though not obvious that you think very hard.

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Originally Posted by swaledale

Anyway, the FACT remains that the vast majority of child abuse crimes are committed by white perpetrators. .

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It seems a bit of a common trait amongst you apologists that you choose not to take into account population demographics when making such assertions. The last government study found that 81% of perpetrators were white, roughly in line with the population. Recent posts including but not exclusively your own are riddled with such ignorance

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Originally Posted by Andy_Faber

It seems a bit of a common trait amongst you apologists that you choose not to take into account population demographics when making such assertions. The last government study found that 81% of perpetrators were white, roughly in line with the population. Recent posts including but not exclusively your own are riddled with such ignorance

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Tbf Andy, I don’t think Swale is writing as an ‘apologist’ and I’m certainly not…I speak as someone who is wholly opposed, both practically and idealistically, to all forms of child abuse.
It’s interesting that you’ve never come back to clarify your strong objections to my initial post but that’s up to you.
I am glad that you recognise that abusers seem to be fairly evenly spread across the cultures…that’s certainly the case in my experience, and was the rationale behind challenging TTR’s predictable portrayal of Muslims as abusers.