Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Yes they did. But the question remains why?
1. It was hot potato of race rumbles, they didn't want to deal with
2. The girls being blamed was easier
2. The people complicit in the abuse spread far and wide, which was a road they didn't want to go down. Yep, local councillors were either involved, or part of the cover up.

The whole episode is a blight on British justice and shameful, in the name of multiculturalism and not rocking the boat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlCC...channel=GBNews

That's where your wrong, race "sensitivity" was part of the equation, but the far bigger issue was the fact that the girls were viewed as "worthless" or contributing to their own situation or even "willing " participants. The same issues were around other grooming gangs where the perpetrators were white. So contrary to your assertion, blaming it on "ethnic sensitivity" was the easier option, rather than admit, that the attitudes of the Police, social workers and other authorities was the key issue.

After all one doesn't have to look very far, to see widespread, misogyny, disregard of women, amongst the Police nationally in cases involving child abuse, domestic abuse not to mention the seemingly inability to bring successful prosecutions for rape

Anyway, the FACT remains that the vast majority of child abuse crimes are committed by white perpetrators. Something you and others like you who label every issue a "race" issue when it really isn't, don't seem to be able to understand. But then if you listen to an echo chamber of your own prejudices then that's hardly surprising.

Its certainly the case that there are issues around race, (although their impact on people like you is actually minimal) but Blaming it on "multi culturalism" is neither helpful nor accurate, you'd do well to actually get information from unbiased sources, rather than parrot the crap spun by people who have an alternative agenda. Until you do, you will just look rather stupid, not to mention a little bit xenophobic.

But I guess at least your prejudices are open, its obvious what you think, though not obvious that you think very hard.

[Andy_Faber]

Anyway, the FACT remains that the vast majority of child abuse crimes are committed by white perpetrators. .

It seems a bit of a common trait amongst you apologists that you choose not to take into account population demographics when making such assertions. The last government study found that 81% of perpetrators were white, roughly in line with the population. Recent posts including but not exclusively your own are riddled with such ignorance

[ramAnag]

It seems a bit of a common trait amongst you apologists that you choose not to take into account population demographics when making such assertions. The last government study found that 81% of perpetrators were white, roughly in line with the population. Recent posts including but not exclusively your own are riddled with such ignorance

Tbf Andy, I don’t think Swale is writing as an ‘apologist’ and I’m certainly not…I speak as someone who is wholly opposed, both practically and idealistically, to all forms of child abuse.
It’s interesting that you’ve never come back to clarify your strong objections to my initial post but that’s up to you.
I am glad that you recognise that abusers seem to be fairly evenly spread across the cultures…that’s certainly the case in my experience, and was the rationale behind challenging TTR’s predictable portrayal of Muslims as abusers.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tbf Andy, I don’t think Swale is writing as an ‘apologist’ and I’m certainly not…I speak as someone who is wholly opposed, both practically and idealistically, to all forms of child abuse.
It’s interesting that you’ve never come back to clarify your strong objections to my initial post but that’s up to you.
I am glad that you recognise that abusers seem to be fairly evenly spread across the cultures…that’s certainly the case in my experience, and was the rationale behind challenging TTR’s predictable portrayal of Muslims as abusers.

My portrayal as you cal it.
Was in line with the topic of the thread. That Islam now manifests itself in many ways in UK society,
The grooming gangs were and are outrageous, but you have to look deeper than that, as to why it happened.

The word "racists" has been weaponised and used as a shield to cover up all sorts crimes and outrages committed by ethic minorities in the last 30 odd years.
Islam, is a force of its own. It now has spread into politics, where racial sectariamism, is a platform to get elected.

It will now get worse, as Labour is about to lose a huge proportion of its imported voters, that Blair instigated.

Stop covering it up. Face up to it and deal with it, as one nation , under one law.

The problem with the UK (AND EUROPE), is that mass immigration has occurred over a short space of time, with minimum integration.
The brains behind this hadn't thought it through.

As the USA under Biden are now finding out. The democrats were all boo hoo, let them come. Until its ended up in their own back yard and now they are screaming.
The irony being, the ones that are suffering there, are the legal immigrant poor, who voted Democrats.

Meanwhile, China/Russia have clear plans for expansion and their countries fIrst. The West gets softer and implodes under woke and race issues.
Trouble coming.

[ramAnag]

My portrayal as you cal it.
Was in line with the topic of the thread. That Islam now manifests itself in many ways in UK society,
The grooming gangs were and are outrageous, but you have to look deeper than that, as to why it happened.

The word "racists" has been weaponised and used as a shield to cover up all sorts crimes and outrages committed by ethic minorities in the last 30 odd years.
Islam, is a force of its own. It now has spread into politics, where racial sectariamism, is a platform to get elected.

It will now get worse, as Labour is about to lose a huge proportion of its imported voters, that Blair instigated.

Stop covering it up. Face up to it and deal with it, as one nation , under one law.

The problem with the UK (AND EUROPE), is that mass immigration has occurred over a short space of time, with minimum integration.
The brains behind this hadn't thought it through.

As the USA under Biden are now finding out. The democrats were all boo hoo, let them come. Until its ended up in their own back yard and now they are screaming.
The irony being, the ones that are suffering there, are the legal immigrant poor, who voted Democrats.

Meanwhile, China/Russia have clear plans for expansion and their countries fIrst. The West gets softer and implodes under woke and race issues.
Trouble coming.

Do stop shouting Tricky…using a bigger font doesn’t make anyone take any more notice of you.

The ‘topic of the thread’ as you call it is the impending elections on either side of the Atlantic. Islam, Muslims and *****philia hadn’t been mentioned until you resurfaced and the tone had been quite reasoned and rational.

Why not start your own thread in your capacity as the forum’s guest ‘foreign correspondent’? See how many people want a sensible discussion about immigration and Islam instead of piggybacking and catastrophizing an existing one.

[Trickytreesreds]

Do stop shouting Tricky…using a bigger font doesn’t make anyone take any more notice of you.

The ‘topic of the thread’ as you call it is the impending elections on either side of the Atlantic. Islam, Muslims and *****philia hadn’t been mentioned until you resurfaced and the tone had been quite reasoned and rational.

Why not start your own thread in your capacity as the forum’s guest ‘foreign correspondent’? See how many people want a sensible discussion about immigration and Islam instead of piggybacking and catastrophizing an existing one.

CORRECT, CURRENT IMPENDING ELECTIONS.

We have just had a new MP admitted, who campaigned on the demographics, of Gaza first?
A UK MP, elected on the back of a Muslim problem 3000 miles away.
The reasons why are there for everyone to see, but you think it's irrelevent.
Welcome to religious sectarianism in the electorate.

[ramAnag]

CORRECT, CURRENT IMPENDING ELECTIONS.

We have just had a new MP admitted, who campaigned on the demographics, of Gaza first?
A UK MP, elected on the back of a Muslim problem 3000 miles away.
The reasons why are there for everyone to see, but you think it's irrelevent.
Welcome to religious sectarianism in the electorate.

I don’t think it’s ‘irrelevant’…I just don’t think the circumstances and the individual concerned make it at all indicative of the issues that the next General Election will - or should - be fought on.
The exceptional circumstances of the Rochdale by-election and ‘Curious George’ are not high on most people’s list of concerns. He’s another self serving attention seeker…the political opposite of Farage but otherwise they have much in common.

[swaledale]

It seems a bit of a common trait amongst you apologists that you choose not to take into account population demographics when making such assertions. The last government study found that 81% of perpetrators were white, roughly in line with the population. Recent posts including but not exclusively your own are riddled with such ignorance

Its seems a bit of a common trait amongst closet racists to try and skew the facts and be a little clever with the statistics, when its actually rather more nuanced than that, even though the figures support what I was saying. How do you know I chose not to mention demographics?

Really not sure how you work out I was acting as apologist, I was merely pointing out the inconvenient fact that actually (as the official Home Office support stated) ethnicity isn't the big problem here, its a failure by those in authority to take vulnerable women and children seriously. Now it might suit the unthinking gammon to blame it on Asians, but that actually won't resolve the issue will it?

I get it that racists will be racists - but I live in the real world and would actually rather like to see the perpetrators of whatever ethnicity brought to justice and women and children protected. But then that's not the name of Trickys game is it?

[Trickytreesreds]

Its seems a bit of a common trait amongst closet racists to try and skew the facts and be a little clever with the statistics, when its actually rather more nuanced than that, even though the figures support what I was saying. How do you know I chose not to mention demographics?

Really not sure how you work out I was acting as apologist, I was merely pointing out the inconvenient fact that actually (as the official Home Office support stated) ethnicity isn't the big problem here, its a failure by those in authority to take vulnerable women and children seriously. Now it might suit the unthinking gammon to blame it on Asians, but that actually won't resolve the issue will it?

I get it that racists will be racists - but I live in the real world and would actually rather like to see the perpetrators of whatever ethnicity brought to justice and women and children protected. But then that's not the name of Trickys game is it?

No you wasn't, and never have.
Youa re an apologist and always have been. Call out every wrong doing then.
There is no coincidence that the far left and Islamic radicalism and now partners in crime.

Here's a lovely video for you of what the current hate peddling is going on. Bearing in made this krank bussed himself in from Germany.
This behaviour is now dictating , who is voted in.
You've been rumbled before when it comes to racist accusations deary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHb...=MahyarTousiTV


So all in all your last post, is wrong on many levels and demonstrates just how your thoughts are influenced by the cr@p you read online, rather than the product of genuine critical thinking and your not calling anything out for what it is, rather your using a particular series of events to falsely justify your obvious xenophobia, bigotry and racism.

So which bit is xenophobic, bigotry, and racist then.

You are the equivalent of a 20mm cannon at a rabbit shoot, when it comes to trying to hush someone up. Corbyn has nothing on you

[Andy_Faber]

How do you know I chose not to mention demographics?

I know you chose not to mention demographics because I read your post, you didn’t mention demographics

I know you chose not to take account of demographics because you never do when it’s inconvenient for your line of reasoning, the regrettable thing being that you drag people along with you. Your posts are riddled with prejudicial inaccuracies and unfounded assertions - try your assertion ‘there are more bad (U.K.) ‘Christians’ that bad (U.K.) Muslims - pure invention on your part which you never offered any substantiation for despite being asked to

Note also the lack of name calling in my post, something you seem addicted to - used extensively by you and your like to deflect from poor lines of argument