O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

There are also negotiations going on with countries we do not already trade with from either internally (via the EU) or externally (on our own)

All the trade in the world that the UK does LESS than 12% of it is reliant on EU participation as we stand today. So the argument that business will collapse is total and utter garbage.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that business will collapse. Some will, but most won't. But you've done your research and are quoting (quite rightly, to back up your argument) them again. But most remain voters have done their research, and my reading over the years has been, increasingly, that business will suffer and the country will be considerably worse off overall under a no deal brexit. Hence the strong remain vote. But why go through the same arguments again and again? We all know where we stand, no one will concede but we have to move forward. God luck with Boris but even a half wit like me can see what's going to happen long term

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

I'm asking myself why the Labour leader has not followed May out of the door as a consequence of this debacle .

The man has his fingerprints on this due to the failed negotiations with the government recently and his position of following the fairest wind in an attempt to get the keys to number 10 , he'd have sold every leaver down the river to become PM , tell me I'm wrong .

Labour haven't a prayer of winning the next election with Corbyn and a majority government , not a hope .

His time has come and gone , clear as day .

When are the Labour membership going to wake up , grow a pair and expose the elephant in the room ? .

Johnson can beat Corbyn in a GE , see it a mile away .

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A little bit unfair on Corbyn animal. He had no chance of ever really negotiating with the waste of space May.

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

I don't think anyone is arguing that business will collapse. Some will, but most won't. But you've done your research and are quoting (quite rightly, to back up your argument) them again. But most remain voters have done their research, and my reading over the years has been, increasingly, that business will suffer and the country will be considerably worse off overall under a no deal brexit. Hence the strong remain vote. But why go through the same arguments again and again? We all know where we stand, no one will concede but we have to move forward. God luck with Boris but even a half wit like me can see what's going to happen long term

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OH, so are you forgetting about those businesses that have gone to the wall while we have been members of the EU? Are you saying that if we stay those already under threat businesses will stay in business? You should have said so pup you just might have changed my mind about Brexit.

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

There are also negotiations going on with countries we do not already trade with from either internally (via the EU) or externally (on our own)

All the trade in the world that the UK does LESS than 12% of it is reliant on EU participation as we stand today. So the argument that business will collapse is total and utter garbage.

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Not sure this is true Big Lad. This is from the house of commons library.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7851

Quote "The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2017, UK exports to the EU were £274 billion (44% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (53% of all UK imports)."

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

Hence the strong remain vote.

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Did you see this image of how the country voted yesterday pup? Strong remain vote my fat aris.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...t_gra624-2.png

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Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller

Not sure this is true Big Lad. This is from the house of commons library.

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7851

Quote "The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2017, UK exports to the EU were £274 billion (44% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (53% of all UK imports)."

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You are looking at that the wrong way WCM that is saying that under the umbrella of the EU (27 countries + at least 58 more done on WTO terms.) it is bound to show up as our biggest trading partner as apposed to trading done with single countries. But this is still Less than 12% of all trade done with the UK around the world. Some people will clutch at any straw they can to prove a point and totally ignore the truth as it really is.

BTW those figures include deals done outside the EU under WTO terms but under the umbrella of the EU because right now we have those deals under EU laws. Once we left the EU you will see that number drop substantialy. At least 58 countries outside of the EU have EU deals that we can go directly too after we leave.

The real truth as is it really is.

If we left the EU TODAY. The only countries we would not be able to make a deal with 1 on 1 are the 27 remaining countries in the EU. Every other country in the world would be fair game for the UK.

Once out of the EU we would be able to negotiate with EU to make a deal that includes those 27 countries. Simples.

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

Did you see this image of how the country voted yesterday pup? Strong remain vote my fat aris.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...t_gra624-2.png

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Has there been a change in the counting? Sorry, what was the vote share of the remain Allience parties compared to the Leave Allience parties across GB? Its straightforward maths isn't it? If the remain vote wasn't strong, the leave vote was marginally less strong, however you present the graphic

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

Has there been a change in the counting? Sorry, what was the vote share of the remain Allience parties compared to the Leave Allience parties across GB? Its straightforward maths isn't it? If the remain vote wasn't strong, the leave vote was marginally less strong, however you present the graphic

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You are basing your opinion on assumptions that all the remain parties only voted for the remain part of what those parties were standing for. For example. The green party made gains of less than 8% in lots of places of what they already held in those places. so you are assuming that those 8% all voted for remain and nothing else the Green party stood for? Like I said, clutch at any straw you want mate the remain party were hammered.

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Originally Posted by BigLadonOS

OH, so are you forgetting about those businesses that have gone to the wall while we have been members of the EU? Are you saying that if we stay those already under threat businesses will stay in business? You should have said so pup you just might have changed my mind about Brexit.

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Are you saying that these businesses only went to the wall because of the EU? Are you saying that businesses won't go to the wall once we have left the EU?

The issue is that much current businesses are 45 years established with eu links as our closest neighbours, and that the end result of suddenly ending those trade arrangements is an unnecessary one with insufficient benefits. Im not an ardent remainer, was willing to comprise but its becoming increasingly apparent that with two extremes unfeeling to compromise, then many of us in the middle will be forced to choose sides in an all our nothing struggle that will run for a generation. Pathetic on both sides, including my family!