I voted yes....but felt like I'd been kicked in the ba's the day

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Originally Posted by stewarty27

RHETORIC Neilo !! you don't see the irony in your own post ? You're actually saying the things you mention are of no importance to the Scottish people ?. It doesn't matter that over 40 years of Oil and Gas wealth has been completely squandered on Wars, tax cuts for the rich, English vanity projects, WMDs, Whilst children in Scotland live way below the poverty line. You just don't get it do you ?

As for the second referendum its coming as is Independence. We have learned so much for the practice run. and yes we made mistakes. Independence is now on the Scottish political agenda. Twenty years ago it wasn't an issue. Today nine people out of every twenty have voted for it. We saw Better Together side having to make hasty concessions at the eleventh hour, The VOW remember that Neilo ? and lo and behold those promises are dis appearing one by one. an unstoppable chain of events has been set in motion and you and you're right wing media friends can shout "Too wee Too poor, Too phuckin stupid all you like Neilo.

Just a wee note on demographics Neilo ..if you breakdown those who voted Yes it was the younger generation who were by far the biggest Yes voters. Whilst it was elderly generation who ultimately delivered the No vote and they are gradually dying out, Shame but thems the facts.

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It was very convenient that the YES camp seemed to have some kind of 'proof' that every desireable demographic had voted majority Yes. The under 24s, the working classes, the majority of Scots born voters. It really was incredible hearing these claims particularly when no one disclosed any personal information whatsoever on their ballot paper.


Anyway, all you seem to do is list all the gripes. You've done it again in your reply for good measure. If you want to win the next referndum (?) you'll have to do more than just tell people how bad things are at present.

Is there any chance you could explain how IScotland will pay for everything as whatever way you dissect things there will be a deficit....and most likely quite a hefty one in the first 5-10 years. How are you going to pay for this 'more just society' that you insist is one of the fundamentals of independence?

I'll reiterate, I see the only option as tax the working to break point and introduce austerity max which will shaft the vulnerable. Please show me/us an alternative.


Thanks.

The only solution I see for Far North Britain is for it to remain in the debt that's been run up in its name by Westminster, & remain a proud 2nd in our equal union to Far South Britain - we're too wee, thick & stupid to go it alone unlike countless other non-oil independent nations around the world. Sorry, but there it is.

As Finance Minister over the last 6 years, quite often I’m asked why can’t we be more like Singapore or Switzerland. These are much smaller countries, there are many fewer people living in them. 4 million people live in Norway, 65 million people live in this country, and they have same amount of oil as us”.

George Osbourne
29/06/2016

Penny dropping yet ?

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Originally Posted by stewarty27

As Finance Minister over the last 6 years, quite often I’m asked why can’t we be more like Singapore or Switzerland. These are much smaller countries, there are many fewer people living in them. 4 million people live in Norway, 65 million people live in this country, and they have same amount of oil as us”.

George Osbourne
29/06/2016

Penny dropping yet ?

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I called you out specifically to explain how it's gonna work. Instead of doing so you resort to some form of innuendos. I mean, you'd think as its something so serious and something you're obviously passionate about you would take the opportunity to illustrate your ideas rather than just leave it for me and others to try and interpret your vague riddles.

So, I assume you're saying that the Oil will pay for it??

This sounds like Indy Campaign 2012-13 stylee.... Once we got closer to the 2014 referendum day we were being told oil was just a bonus... Are you now saying the revenue from all the oil will pay for everything IScotland will need?

[QUOTE=neilo;38263126]It was very convenient that the YES camp seemed to have some kind of 'proof' that every desireable demographic had voted majority Yes. The under 24s, the working classes, the majority of Scots born voters. It really was incredible hearing these claims particularly when no one disclosed any personal information whatsoever on their ballot paper.

LORD ASHCROFT POLL

Age 16-17 71% Yes 29% no

Age 65+ 27% Yes 73% No

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-ashcroft-poll

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Originally Posted by neilo

It was very convenient that the YES camp seemed to have some kind of 'proof' that every desireable demographic had voted majority Yes. The under 24s, the working classes, the majority of Scots born voters. It really was incredible hearing these claims particularly when no one disclosed any personal information whatsoever on their ballot paper.

LORD ASHCROFT POLL

Age 16-17 71% Yes 29% no

Age 65+ 27% Yes 73% No

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-ashcroft-poll

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An opinion poll???


Lol...get real.

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Originally Posted by neilo

I called you out specifically to explain how it's gonna work. Instead of doing so you resort to some form of innuendos. I mean, you'd think as its something so serious and something you're obviously passionate about you would take the opportunity to illustrate your ideas rather than just leave it for me and others to try and interpret your vague riddles.

So, I assume you're saying that the Oil will pay for it??

This sounds like Indy Campaign 2012-13 stylee.... Once we got closer to the 2014 referendum day we were being told oil was just a bonus... Are you now saying the revenue from all the oil will pay for everything IScotland will need?

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Actually Oil is a bit of a bonus Scotland's economy is on a par with rUK without oil revenues. For the last 4-5 year I've looked closely at all the figures and I know very well that we were deliberately lied to and misled throughout the whole referendum campaign, because UK government do not want to acknowledge that in fact Scotland contributes far more than its fair share to the UK economy as a whole, just looking at oil and whisky, never mind anything else. So please spare me the regurgitation of project fear. The simple fact is you and your ilk would not vote for Independence if it could be proven beyond doubt we'd all be millions better off !! Our target is NOT you or your Rule Britannia mob we're going after the soft No voters and we intend to educate them to the truth. And if that gets you and Britnat fanatic incandescent wi rage...................... Then all the better :D

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Actually Oil is a bit of a bonus Scotland's economy is on a par with rUK without oil revenues. For the last 4-5 year I've looked closely at all the figures and I know very well that we were deliberately lied to and misled throughout the whole referendum campaign, because UK government do not want to acknowledge that in fact Scotland contributes far more than its fair share to the UK economy as a whole, just looking at oil and whisky, never mind anything else. So please spare me the regurgitation of project fear. The simple fact is you and your ilk would not vote for Independence if it could be proven beyond doubt we'd all be millions better off !! Our target is NOT you or your Rule Britannia mob we're going after the soft No voters and we intend to educate them to the truth. And if that gets you and Britnat fanatic incandescent wi rage...................... Then all the better :D

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Blank piece of paper time.

We become independent tomorrow and carry no debt.

Show us income and expenditure for iScotland.

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Actually Oil is a bit of a bonus Scotland's economy is on a par with rUK without oil revenues. For the last 4-5 year I've looked closely at all the figures and I know very well that we were deliberately lied to and misled throughout the whole referendum campaign, because UK government do not want to acknowledge that in fact Scotland contributes far more than its fair share to the UK economy as a whole, just looking at oil and whisky, never mind anything else. So please spare me the regurgitation of project fear. The simple fact is you and your ilk would not vote for Independence if it could be proven beyond doubt we'd all be millions better off !! Our target is NOT you or your Rule Britannia mob we're going after the soft No voters and we intend to educate them to the truth. And if that gets you and Britnat fanatic incandescent wi rage...................... Then all the better :D

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I'd vote for independence in an instant if I felt that there would be as much work as I wanted in my chosen field. If the spin offs from that were that there was more money for Welfare too then happy days. Thing is, apart from my constitutional preference I'm a realist.

From what I saw independence was really politics for the conspiracy theory crowd, people who rarely worry about responsibilies or consequences. That worried me, easily brainwashed and manipulated they believed every last word of the utter rubbish served up by Wings or Business for Scotland.

I don't really bother with politics, the referendum was the only time I've voted in the past 20 years, I don't align myself to any party etc..I generally dislike the notion that politics is really just trying to get as many people as possible to think the same way as you... However, all of a sudden everything was at risk..your job, the value of your home, the country's economy, NHS, Pensions, Welfare....it seemed there were a crowd of nutters prepared to put all that at risk on the basis that 'ach, we'll manage somehow!!!'


Not good enough...



So you're saying Oil and Whisky brings in more than enough to pay for everything and it's (another) conspiracy that (once again) Westminster are responsible for hiding the true revenue of Scotland.


Got ya.

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Originally Posted by noahrab

Blank piece of paper time.

We become independent tomorrow and carry no debt.

Show us income and expenditure for iScotland.

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Talking about Incandescent wi rage and he appears feckin magic that min.