I voted yes....but felt like I'd been kicked in the ba's the day

[stewarty27]

I called you out specifically to explain how it's gonna work. Instead of doing so you resort to some form of innuendos. I mean, you'd think as its something so serious and something you're obviously passionate about you would take the opportunity to illustrate your ideas rather than just leave it for me and others to try and interpret your vague riddles.

So, I assume you're saying that the Oil will pay for it??

This sounds like Indy Campaign 2012-13 stylee.... Once we got closer to the 2014 referendum day we were being told oil was just a bonus... Are you now saying the revenue from all the oil will pay for everything IScotland will need?

Actually Oil is a bit of a bonus Scotland's economy is on a par with rUK without oil revenues. For the last 4-5 year I've looked closely at all the figures and I know very well that we were deliberately lied to and misled throughout the whole referendum campaign, because UK government do not want to acknowledge that in fact Scotland contributes far more than its fair share to the UK economy as a whole, just looking at oil and whisky, never mind anything else. So please spare me the regurgitation of project fear. The simple fact is you and your ilk would not vote for Independence if it could be proven beyond doubt we'd all be millions better off !! Our target is NOT you or your Rule Britannia mob we're going after the soft No voters and we intend to educate them to the truth. And if that gets you and Britnat fanatic incandescent wi rage...................... Then all the better

[noahrab]

Actually Oil is a bit of a bonus Scotland's economy is on a par with rUK without oil revenues. For the last 4-5 year I've looked closely at all the figures and I know very well that we were deliberately lied to and misled throughout the whole referendum campaign, because UK government do not want to acknowledge that in fact Scotland contributes far more than its fair share to the UK economy as a whole, just looking at oil and whisky, never mind anything else. So please spare me the regurgitation of project fear. The simple fact is you and your ilk would not vote for Independence if it could be proven beyond doubt we'd all be millions better off !! Our target is NOT you or your Rule Britannia mob we're going after the soft No voters and we intend to educate them to the truth. And if that gets you and Britnat fanatic incandescent wi rage...................... Then all the better

Blank piece of paper time.

We become independent tomorrow and carry no debt.

Show us income and expenditure for iScotland.

[stewarty27]

Blank piece of paper time.

We become independent tomorrow and carry no debt.

Show us income and expenditure for iScotland.

Talking about Incandescent wi rage and he appears feckin magic that min.

[noahrab]

Talking about Incandescent wi rage and he appears feckin magic that min.

If you don't have the answer just say wee man, it's not as if its an important issue...

[stewarty27]

Blank piece of paper time.

We become independent tomorrow and carry no debt.

Show us income and expenditure for iScotland.

Right now Scotland is NOT independent, the levers of the economy belong to the government of the UK (where they’ve been for quite some time now) and any hypothetical financial doomsday scenario projected for an independent Scotland is just that… hypothetical. I have no idea what measures an independent Scottish government would have taken over the past eigh**** months, for the simple reason that whole independence thing DIDN’T HAPPEN. But if you are looking for a Government who have made a right C**T of running an economy I give you Westminster 1.6 Trill Debt. And before you start your nonsense about blaming WM its their mismanagement that has to the state of ALL these islands. I suppose its about confidence I have confidence that Scotland has all the resources and the talent to manage our economy you on the other hand think we're economic basket cases and take every opportunity to try and ram that down our throats.

[noahrab]

Right now Scotland is NOT independent, the levers of the economy belong to the government of the UK (where they’ve been for quite some time now) and any hypothetical financial doomsday scenario projected for an independent Scotland is just that… hypothetical. I have no idea what measures an independent Scottish government would have taken over the past eigh**** months, for the simple reason that whole independence thing DIDN’T HAPPEN. But if you are looking for a Government who have made a right C**T of running an economy I give you Westminster 1.6 Trill Debt. And before you start your nonsense about blaming WM its their mismanagement that has to the state of ALL these islands. I suppose its about confidence I have confidence that Scotland has all the resources and the talent to manage our economy you on the other hand think we're economic basket cases and take every opportunity to try and ram that down our throats.

You never answered the question son.

Have another go.

[54FairAndSquare]

Right now Scotland is NOT independent, the levers of the economy belong to the government of the UK (where they’ve been for quite some time now) and any hypothetical financial doomsday scenario projected for an independent Scotland is just that… hypothetical. I have no idea what measures an independent Scottish government would have taken over the past eigh**** months, for the simple reason that whole independence thing DIDN’T HAPPEN. But if you are looking for a Government who have made a right C**T of running an economy I give you Westminster 1.6 Trill Debt. And before you start your nonsense about blaming WM its their mismanagement that has to the state of ALL these islands. I suppose its about confidence I have confidence that Scotland has all the resources and the talent to manage our economy you on the other hand think we're economic basket cases and take every opportunity to try and ram that down our throats.

Another cut and paste from the SNP Ministry of Truth

[noahrab]

Another cut and paste from the SNP Ministry of Truth

You mean those are not wee stuartie's words?

Im shocked.

[JackSnakes]

Blank piece of paper time.

We become independent tomorrow and carry no debt.

Show us income and expenditure for iScotland.

I think that is a reasonable question. Not sure if the figures are readily available to Joe Public but, since everyone, Yes or No, seems to be a fkn expert, you would think it would be easy enough to find them...

The issue isn't really about income and expenditure though, and the current figures would have to be adjusted to show increases where iScotland would be managing it's own postal service, DVLA, ministry of defence etc, and decreases where we no longer subscribe to Trident, DVLA, Ministry of defence etc...
I do believe that, as I have already said, Scotland has the means and the expertise to manage its own affairs, but whether it would have the confidence of the international markets that a country needs to survive in this day and age is another matter. No debt would be interesting - no debt = no interest. UK pays £4bn a month in interest... that is a scary number.
The fact is the whole thing is conjecture on the part of both camps. It would be nice if there was an impartial body that would give us a best guess that could be relied upon, instead of hysterical 'No' proponents screaming doom, gloom and disaster, and the 'Yes' dreamers saying it will be raining gold coins the day after independence is declared.
I believe people just want some honesty. How hard can it be?

[noahrab]

I think that is a reasonable question. Not sure if the figures are readily available to Joe Public but, since everyone, Yes or No, seems to be a fkn expert, you would think it would be easy enough to find them...

The issue isn't really about income and expenditure though, and the current figures would have to be adjusted to show increases where iScotland would be managing it's own postal service, DVLA, ministry of defence etc, and decreases where we no longer subscribe to Trident, DVLA, Ministry of defence etc...
I do believe that, as I have already said, Scotland has the means and the expertise to manage its own affairs, but whether it would have the confidence of the international markets that a country needs to survive in this day and age is another matter. No debt would be interesting - no debt = no interest. UK pays £4bn a month in interest... that is a scary number.
The fact is the whole thing is conjecture on the part of both camps. It would be nice if there was an impartial body that would give us a best guess that could be relied upon, instead of hysterical 'No' proponents screaming doom, gloom and disaster, and the 'Yes' dreamers saying it will be raining gold coins the day after independence is declared.
I believe people just want some honesty. How hard can it be?

Thats all I want, honesty.

Those who want independence need to do better to convince people like me to go for it.

The blank piece of paper scenario shouldn't be too difficult for some economist to answer.

Its the easiest way to explain how our finances would look and I can't for the life of me understand how they shy away from it.