Great battling performance

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Originally Posted by BenArfa10

Some people still sucking on their lemon 🍋 I see. Miserable gits

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Yep... though “some” implies more than one actual person 😉

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Originally Posted by kingstonbob

Rafa distrusts certain players ie Shelvey and Mitro because they have let him/the team down not just once and more often than not through stupidity. He seems to like certain players ie Dummett because h e sticks to the plan. Like any man in whatever business would/should do.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear Ghost. I didn't mean it was a masterstroke but if say Mourinho or Klopp had done it it would have been seen in such a way, but dont forget Rafa got that performance from a couple of players in particular who haven't played at all/much (saivet and Diame) when most would have thought he would have sat back and defended. Also after a nightmare start with a team low in confidence. He must have set out to attack down the wings and it worked with some great one touch stuff. It was good to watch and I'm sure we are both wanting to see the same in the future, certainly against the likes of Brighton and Swansea at home. Here's hoping.

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Yeah Rafa did get something from the players he didn't seem to trust.
As I said before. Has he got that from the players because of him or in spite of him?
Are those players playing for their futures at Newcastle United or for the shop window?

Do those players get to play centre mid again and the same set up against Man City?
Let's put it this way.
At the start of the game when all fans seen that team sheet, did it fill anyone with optimism?

The answer should be a firm no and rightly so for reasons that we've all convinced one another of the downside of.
Diame the lazy waste of space who Rafa can't seem to get to put any effort in or even play football and is deemed so garbage that even championship football is way ahead of him, I've seen many say.
And yet there he is putting in a shift and running midfield with Saivet as well as scoring a very good goal.

Rafa genius?
What about distrusted Saivet?
Rafa genius?

Rafa who can't even put together a plan B manages to put together a plan A that not only involves a brand new midfield, away to a resurgent West Ham but has managed to train them to boss it, such is his genius.
The same genius tried to close out a 3-1 scoreline by taking off a perfect counter attacking player in Gayle in favour of leaving Joselu on for the defensive fight rather than giving their back line something to think about under Gayle's pace.

We won the game and that's basically it. We won it because West Ham were bossed in midfield by two players who the fans deemed as worse than garbage.

So, as much as I might be whining, I'd also like to say that we all seem to pick and choose when to batter our own and also when to praise.....UNTIL the merry-go-round comes back to the starting point.

So, as much as I'd like to heap praise on the team for a sterling effort away to West Ham, I'm still not convinced with Rafa's overall set up.

You can spot a wind up cnut when in one post they say they’ll give Rafa credit if he uses the rest of the players in the squad, and in another after winning doing exactly that, that it was luck or forced upon us or too spite him for not picking the players.

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Originally Posted by Nufcian

You can spot a wind up cnut when in one post they say they’ll give Rafa credit if he uses the rest of the players in the squad, and in another after winning doing exactly that, that it was luck or forced upon us or too spite him for not picking the players.

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The huge blocks of text are a dead giveaway.

And City is definitely a free hit! What do some people expect? That with the shower of sh!te we have that we’ll beat a team that has broken records as old as time and won what? 18 games in a row, scoring 3 or 4 goals a game most weeks?
If we lose then our win yesterday is invalid and so Rafa out?

Genius logic that, genius

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Originally Posted by Nufcian

You can spot a wind up cnut when in one post they say they’ll give Rafa credit if he uses the rest of the players in the squad, and in another after winning doing exactly that, that it was luck or forced upon us or too spite him for not picking the players.

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Think what you want and I'll think what I want, alright?
Put me on ignore if you don't like to see anything that doesn't suit you.

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Originally Posted by BenArfa10

And City is definitely a free hit! What do some people expect? That with the shower of sh!te we have that we’ll beat a team that has broken records as old as time and won what? 18 games in a row, scoring 3 or 4 goals a game most weeks?
If we lose then our win yesterday is invalid and so Rafa out?

Genius logic that, genius

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Man City at home to Everton who went on to have an abysmal run that led to the sacking of Ronald Koeman and yet Everton were winning the game up until the 82nd minute when Sterling equalised.

1-1 at the Etihad.
Weare at home so don't tell me we have to give up the game because it's Man City.

I'm optimistic that we can get something from the game, so how's about that?
I'm just questioning Rafa's antics and tactics and telling people that one game doesn't change the routine.

Hopefully Rafa will get it right.

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Originally Posted by ghostrider

Yeah Rafa did get something from the players he didn't seem to trust.
As I said before. Has he got that from the players because of him or in spite of him?
Are those players playing for their futures at Newcastle United or for the shop window?

Do those players get to play centre mid again and the same set up against Man City?
Let's put it this way.
At the start of the game when all fans seen that team sheet, did it fill anyone with optimism?

The answer should be a firm no and rightly so for reasons that we've all convinced one another of the downside of.
Diame the lazy waste of space who Rafa can't seem to get to put any effort in or even play football and is deemed so garbage that even championship football is way ahead of him, I've seen many say.
And yet there he is putting in a shift and running midfield with Saivet as well as scoring a very good goal.

Rafa genius?
What about distrusted Saivet?
Rafa genius?

Rafa who can't even put together a plan B manages to put together a plan A that not only involves a brand new midfield, away to a resurgent West Ham but has managed to train them to boss it, such is his genius.
The same genius tried to close out a 3-1 scoreline by taking off a perfect counter attacking player in Gayle in favour of leaving Joselu on for the defensive fight rather than giving their back line something to think about under Gayle's pace.

We won the game and that's basically it. We won it because West Ham were bossed in midfield by two players who the fans deemed as worse than garbage.

So, as much as I might be whining, I'd also like to say that we all seem to pick and choose when to batter our own and also when to praise.....UNTIL the merry-go-round comes back to the starting point.

So, as much as I'd like to heap praise on the team for a sterling effort away to West Ham, I'm still not convinced with Rafa's overall set up.

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I feel you just dont want Rafa to succeed whatever he does. Cant wait to jump on him when we get beat and very begrudgingly offer a little bit of praise even when we win. Plan A or B well hes played boring football and won, you didn't like that, played more expansive that left us wide open and then lost game after game, you didn't like that, counter attacking football yesterday with a new midfield forced onto him and he played to the likes of saivets strengths, lets not forget he sees him everyday we don't but again that's no good either. What do you want man???? Oh aye Rafa out and who in?

Well it's not fair to criticize Rafa before the Man City game even begins - we are the ones saying it's a "free" game, not him.

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Originally Posted by ghostrider

Think what you want and I'll think what I want, alright?
Put me on ignore if you don't like to see anything that doesn't suit you.

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Ah diddums.

Nearly as bad as you banging on about hating Rafa and not trusting him, because he was never gonna sign a contract after we were relegated.