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24-12-2023, 10:32 AM
Barnsley Chop

Bang on Animal - we just live in hope for better days.
24-12-2023, 10:54 AM
animallittle3

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Originally Posted by Barnsley Chop

Bang on Animal - we just live in hope for better days.

At least we have Wakefield Trinity to look forward to Chop , tough couple of opening games mind .
24-12-2023, 12:41 PM
Barnsley Chop

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

At least we have Wakefield Trinity to look forward to Chop , tough couple of opening games mind .

If only Barnsley FC had a similar owner to Matt Ellis at Wakefield Trinity and a Barnsley lad too.

You should do a post Animal to explain more to the lads on here about the new Wakefield Trinity owner and how the club is being transformed.
24-12-2023, 12:53 PM
animallittle3

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Originally Posted by Barnsley Chop

If only Barnsley FC had a similar owner to Matt Ellis at Wakefield Trinity and a Barnsley lad too.

You should do a post Animal to explain more to the lads on here about the new Wakefield Trinity owner and how the club is being transformed.

I think that's a good idea Chop , a Cas supporting regular driver who delivers to where I work is green with envy and admits through gritted teeth that Trinity are finally going places .

He's involved with the school age lads at Cas and says Ellis has put things in place at Trinity that blows away how the Rhinos never mind Cas go about things .
24-12-2023, 03:06 PM
Young_Nudger

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

It's inconceivable in my opinion that this current team ( squad ) would take any points off the three promoted sides from last season .

I just can't imagine ourselves right now doing the double over Wednesday including a pulsating 4-2 victory at Oakwell , a statement 3-0 home victory over leaders and champions elect Plymouth Argyle or even going to Portman Road and getting a point .

I can't even contemplate this group beating a play off rival such as Derby County 4-1 at Oakwell and cementing our place in the top six and a serious potential play off winner .

I read many comments about this team on other online platforms that we've got this many points compared to last season and we've scored this many more goals too which in reality is an attempt to portray that everything is rosey in the garden and there's nothing to moan about .

The truth is and many posters on here have picked up on it is the fact the league is a shocking standard and if you added last season's promoted teams to this season's league one we'd probably have 9 less points .

Why does this matter ?

It matters because as ever it calls in to question once again the club's ideology , we sell our best players and we become weaker as a consequence , just like we have done on several other occasions in the past .

Selling our best players is something most of us accept , no problem but as ever the recruitment strategy to replace them is the issue .

The quality of player you need to get out of this league and give yourselves at least half a chance of staying up in the championship is easy to identify because we've seen the required standard in successful league one season's of the past .

You need the Sam Winnall's , Connor Hourihane , Marc Roberts , Alfie Mawson , Adam Hammill , Josh Brownhill , Josh Scowen , Ethan Pinnock , Liam Lindsay , Alex Mowatt , Kieffer Moore , Cauley Woodrow and Jacob Brown .

The players currently at this club are a mile away from those standards and that's not how this model was supposed to work .

We might get lucky in the January window with four good loans and retaining the best of this squad and win a play off final .

That's probably the best outcome that we can currently achieve but that's not how this model was meant to work .

These people running this club seriously don't have a clue .

We are going over old ground here - but hey ho - it’s Christmas.
Totally right up to the comment - ‘why does it matter’.
After that IMO you get it wrong.
In other words your diagnosis is spot on - but the prescription you give is wrong.

As said previously - we have ample evidence that shows the recruitment system works.
Sales bringing in £££millions over the last 4 or 5 years underpins that.
So why some supporters are looking for faults within the recruitment system is beyond me.

So to put your post in summary - the latest batch of recruits are rubbish (or words to that effect).
And the players that did well last season are also not as good as what they were last season - hence the dire football being served up.

In my opinion it’s ridiculous to believe that the problems lies with the players.

I wished this wasn’t the case - but I believe the problem lies at the door of the HC.
I obviously hoped Collins would succeed - but he hasn’t.

So my view of the January window is this:
1) Get what we can and sell the players that won’t sign an extension to their contract. Recoup money ready for a recruitment drive next season.
2) Bring a few loans in.
3) If the board want to retain Collins until the end of the season to give him a chance then that’s fine. But sorry to say if things don’t change we need a new HC at the start of next season.
24-12-2023, 03:32 PM
animallittle3

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Originally Posted by Young_Nudger

We are going over old ground here - but hey ho - it’s Christmas.
Totally right up to the comment - ‘why does it matter’.
After that IMO you get it wrong.
In other words your diagnosis is spot on - but the prescription you give is wrong.

As said previously - we have ample evidence that shows the recruitment system works.
Sales bringing in £££millions over the last 4 or 5 years underpins that.
So why some supporters are looking for faults within the recruitment system is beyond me.

So to put your post in summary - the latest batch of recruits are rubbish (or words to that effect).
And the players that did well last season are also not as good as what they were last season - hence the dire football being served up.

In my opinion it’s ridiculous to believe that the problems lies with the players.

I wished this wasn’t the case - but I believe the problem lies at the door of the HC.
I obviously hoped Collins would succeed - but he hasn’t.

So my view of the January window is this:
1) Get what we can and sell the players that won’t sign an extension to their contract. Recoup money ready for a recruitment drive next season.
2) Bring a few loans in.
3) If the board want to retain Collins until the end of the season to give him a chance then that’s fine. But sorry to say if things don’t change we need a new HC at the start of next season.

At one point do you concede that we are now recruiting players from the bargain bucket of non league football plus a centre back deemed not even good enough to be considered in the worst team in the championship from the days of spending up and including a million pounds on players with potential from league two and one plus lads at PL club's who didn't quite make it and some provincial clubs across Europe .

Do you really believe where we currently recruit is going to deliver the same revenue as we've seen before ?

Give your head a good shake if you do .
24-12-2023, 03:37 PM
EthelRed

Where have all the £££millions gone YN?
24-12-2023, 06:09 PM
Young_Nudger

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Originally Posted by animallittle3

At one point do you concede that we are now recruiting players from the bargain bucket of non league football plus a centre back deemed not even good enough to be considered in the worst team in the championship from the days of spending up and including a million pounds on players with potential from league two and one plus lads at PL club's who didn't quite make it and some provincial clubs across Europe .

Do you really believe where we currently recruit is going to deliver the same revenue as we've seen before ?

Give your head a good shake if you do .

Yes we are recruiting from the bargain bucket as you put it.
But other than the Conway best transfer window ever - we have been doing that for years.
It’s either lower league or reserve teams of other clubs.

But it’s proved good in the past - my thoughts are that it has probably produced some good uns this time.
Unfortunately we arn’t going to witness that while the players that were originally here from last season have lost form.
Add to that the playing style has changed.
We need to ask why ?
Theres only one common denominator in all this.

I believe the present recruitment system with the right HC in charge will get us into the Premier.
And it’s not as though we haven’t seen that with our own eyes.
Ismael showed us what can be done.
Unfortunately the following summer the then owners got greedy.

These present owners with the right HC will see us back where Ismael left off.

But it’s been a ‘stop start’ start of their ownership.
They got the Duff appointment right.
Collins might come good - but I can’t see it as he’s not following the clubs style of play - consequently the players don’t look like they know what they’re doing.
24-12-2023, 08:02 PM
Shadrack the Red

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Originally Posted by Young_Nudger

Yes we are recruiting from the bargain bucket as you put it.
But other than the Conway best transfer window ever - we have been doing that for years.
It’s either lower league or reserve teams of other clubs.

But it’s proved good in the past - my thoughts are that it has probably produced some good uns this time.
Unfortunately we arn’t going to witness that while the players that were originally here from last season have lost form.
Add to that the playing style has changed.
We need to ask why ?
Theres only one common denominator in all this.

I believe the present recruitment system with the right HC in charge will get us into the Premier.
And it’s not as though we haven’t seen that with our own eyes.
Ismael showed us what can be done.
Unfortunately the following summer the then owners got greedy.

These present owners with the right HC will see us back where Ismael left off.

But it’s been a ‘stop start’ start of their ownership.
They got the Duff appointment right.
Collins might come good - but I can’t see it as he’s not following the clubs style of play - consequently the players don’t look like they know what they’re doing.

Yawn , Yawn , Yawn still peddling the same old tripe , merry xmas Nudger
24-12-2023, 09:58 PM
Young_Nudger

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Originally Posted by Shadrack the Red

Yawn , Yawn , Yawn still peddling the same old tripe , merry xmas Nudger

When I say - ‘we are going over old ground here’.
Which bit of that do you want spelling out ???

I’m actually answering a direct question from Animal.
Courtesy.

And when Animal recently posts about ‘good manners not costing owt’.
Which bit of that do you want spelling out ???

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