O/T Jeremy corbyn

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Originally Posted by Exiletyke

It's my understanding that the motorways from La Manga up to Benidorm for example [as I'm sure many more are] were funded by the EU ie partly UK on the proviso that no tolls should be imposed because these roads are EU [publicly funded] but the Spanish impose more tolls than you can shake a stick at & no sanctions are brought by the EU
Is my info correct?
In the meantime carry on with your cesspit

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Wrong...it costs me 8euros from Alicante to Benissa, Alicante region is toll free, valancia region is roughly 3 euros per 10 km

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

What do you suggest Corbyn should do Gristy?

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Have shadow cabinet ministers based on merit, so bye bye Abbott

Ditch that human rights woman as an adviser

Follow the Northern vote which means firmly backing brexit, with no deal if necessary

Abandon the politics of envy tactic, it’s old fashioned and folks don’t believe it.


But ideally resign and dig the allotment

"Corbyn still fails"

Ha Ha Ha.....failure in the media is not failure - only but fodder for those of a certain persuasion.

You may have read somewhere NOT to believe what you read in the papers - well it's good advice.....

Corbyn's been around the political block at his age. No sleep will be lost in his household. Fake news...lol

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

But where do you draw the line Kerr. By that definition, can any election promise be seen as an attempt to 'buy votes'?

As a party focused hugely on tax cuts historically, can the tories be seen as the worst culprits of 'buying votes'? (not implying that tax cutting is always a bad thing by any means, but interested in why one thing is classed as a tax bribe, but another thing isn't? How do you define the difference? (again, this is a thought for discussion not a big challenge, so please try not to be rude!)

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I think you do rude just as well as I do.

The Tories are a party that believes in low taxation, small government and, by extension, self-reliance and personal endeavour (I’ve not looked up the Wikipedia definition of right wing, but suspect that won’t be far off from mine). Those are the policies that the Tories pursued – and the country loved - in the 1980s as income tax rates were slashed and people were encouraged and assisted to own their homes etc. With that being the case, I don’t think it generally right to call their low tax policies a bribe – it’s their natural ground.

Labour, on the other hand, advocate a larger state in which personal endeavour and self-reliance matter less. That manifests itself in some people choosing reliance on the state and economic inactivity as a way of life. So I would not call higher levels of benefits a bribe - that’s Labour’s natural ground.

The tuition fee promise was clearly a cynical attempt to buy votes, however. Tuition fees were introduced to fund the explosion in higher education provision that occurred in the nineties and noughties. That funding made university education available to the many as opposed to the situation in the seventies were it was available to only the few. Tuition fees are also, in effect, a progressive tax; those who benefit from securing a degree and earn well end up paying the money back – those who don’t are likely to find a proportion of the debt being written off at the end of the payment period.

I see the Johnson promise as a bribe as I do not believe there is a case for it at the moment. I wouldn’t want to see even more people being caught by the higher rate, but I don’t see any great injustice as it stands.

I think you may have taken my ‘couldn’t be bothered’ post to heart. At the moment I don’t have the time to post to the extent that you and some others do and so am declining to be taken off on the tangents that your posts often involve, unless the tangent is particularly interesting to me.

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Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller

Godsmacked overstates it surely.

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No.

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Originally Posted by Exiletyke

A simple rebuttal would have sufficed
I think you will need to be doubly certain when you post in future

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I despair... I started with a simple rebuttal. The problem is rather than acknowledge you were wrong you wasted my time with two irrelevant links. Maybe you should be certain before you post drivel?

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

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Youre easily godsmacked.

The ballot box at the last general election said differently, Tories did badly but still beat Corbyn and Labour.

This at a time when austerity was biting hard.

When Gordon Brown failed in 2010 and we got the Tory coalition, Labour won 258 seats, and at the time Corbyn said it was a disaster. Fast forward to the last general election and Corbyn’s Labour Party managed a massive 262 seats, 4 more under Corbyn’s apparent dynamic leadership.

Labour should have annihilated the tories, but they didn’t because too many don’t like or don’t trust Corbyn and his mates.

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Originally Posted by gm_gm

Wrong...it costs me 8euros from Alicante to Benissa, Alicante region is toll free, valancia region is roughly 3 euros per 10 km

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Isn't there a piaje on the outskirts of Benidorm which is in Alicante region isn't it

How come we don’t have a tourist tax in the UK when in certain parts of Spain they do?