Gary(kin) lineker.

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Originally Posted by WBA123

Yes I would vote to join.

But playing devil's advocate, let me turn my statement on its head;

"Brexit is going swimmingly well, it will definitely make us better off and I have full faith in this Tory govt negotiating the best terms of our exit from the European Union"

Do you agree with any of that?

Just by quoting media slogans like 'Project Fear' means nothing. There's no substance in there.

Brexit has created a huge division in society. I don't appreciate being called a remoaner who is pushing some kind of 'fear' agenda anymore than you wouldn't appreciate me labeling you as a stupid leaver who believes in unicorns and project fantasy. It doesn't really get us anywhere.

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i agree that you would probably vote to join.

the tory cabinet is loaded with remainers. tessy has some job on her hands tbf.
the eu aint concede fuck all..
but they need us ( or our contributions ) more than we need them.

we voted to leave , or have you forgotten that. i can stand on my own two feet ..i fully believe the country also can

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Originally Posted by Greavseywolf

i agree that you would probably vote to join.

the tory cabinet is loaded with remainers. tessy has some job on her hands tbf.
the eu aint concede fuck all..
but they need us ( or our contributions ) more than we need them.

we voted to leave , or have you forgotten that. i can stand on my own two feet ..i fully believe the country also can

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and the end of the greavsey,it’s called democracy if we don’t leave we’re not a democratic country .lineker and his like can bitch all they want.

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Originally Posted by Greavseywolf

i agree that you would probably vote to join.

the tory cabinet is loaded with remainers. tessy has some job on her hands tbf.
the eu aint concede fuck all..
but they need us ( or our contributions ) more than we need them.

we voted to leave , or have you forgotten that. i can stand on my own two feet ..i fully believe the country also can

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I just don't know what a vote to leave meant. Neither do the cabinet, otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess. What you think you voted for is not what another leaver may have voted for. Remember that some prominent Leavers said we wouldn't leave the Single Market. Farage said we would have a Swiss model - who are in Schengen and have no border checks on EU nationals despite not being in the EU. The referendum question was too ambiguous. Added onto the fact that it was a shambolic lead up, littered with lies and deceptions, for a key decision which will affect us for generations.

And now people are hijacking it and calling out 'democracy'. If you want democracy, then lets have another vote - once we know the terms of the deal. The voters will be much more informed now than they were in 2016. Democracy doesn't stand still. Its a process.

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Originally Posted by WBA123

I just don't know what a vote to leave meant. Neither do the cabinet, otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess. What you think you voted for is not what another leaver may have voted for. Remember that some prominent Leavers said we wouldn't leave the Single Market. Farage said we would have a Swiss model - who are in Schengen and have no border checks on EU nationals despite not being in the EU. The referendum question was too ambiguous. Added onto the fact that it was a shambolic lead up, littered with lies and deceptions, for a key decision which will affect us for generations.

And now people are hijacking it and calling out 'democracy'. If you want democracy, then lets have another vote - once we know the terms of the deal. The voters will be much more informed now than they were in 2016. Democracy doesn't stand still. Its a process.

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We don’t need another vote.

We had one and we are OUT!

Just like if you Remoaners had won.....you’d really be clammering for a second vote wouldn’t you?

Yes of course you would.

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Originally Posted by Greavseywolf

lets turn this on its head

IF the UK was not a member of the EU , now knowing what you do
about this institution'''

would you vote to join..

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A good question. No I wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by mickd1961

In the 70’s we as a people voted to join a trading union the Common Market......the clue is in the word market.

We wanted to buy things like bananas.....not be told what shape they had to be.

The idea of a trading union made good sense.

Over the next 45 years its the political elite who have made the decision to get us trapped into an ever tighter political union without having the wit to work out long term consequences or to ensure what the exit strategy would be for any country changing its mind in the future.

If the people had had to vote for each treaty I suspect we would’ve bailed out long ago.

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Quite right Mick. What people voted for then bears no resemblance to what they have now. I went to a debate on Leave/Remain prior to the vote that was televised by Bloomberg. Ex Chancellor Nigel Lawson was on the Leave side. He made a valid point when he said the biggest issue for him with staying in is the erosion of our fundamental rights to influence a change in laws and our right to be heard and to replace those that don't listen. He went on to say that he knew very well on a personal level several of the key architects of the Common market and the EU. He said that they were very clear from Day 1 that the Common Market was but a stepping stone to bring us the EU and that a federal superstate with a centralised bank, law making and currency was always the goal. Interestingly, he also said that there is no record anywhere in the world where states have joined up and worked without fiscal union. So, democracy and the right to be heard aside, how many of the Remoaners out there would join the Euro today?

Far be it for me to get involved in the extremely tedious subject of Brexit/politics.. but I actually don't mind Gary Lineker for what he does as a presenter on Motd, and I don't really care about the wages he earns with the Bbc.
Hes likeable with it, and remember he had a good reputation as a player as well which also counted for something.
But I do agree people like him have got no business running their gobs like they do on social media, when it comes to these sort of subjects which to be honest, they have probably got little or no knowledge of at all.

He can't have any friends either. Some friend would have told him a year ago to give up on that ridiculous bumfluff.

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Originally Posted by talkSAFT

He can't have any friends either. Some friend would have told him a year ago to give up on that ridiculous bumfluff.

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What, you mean the fluff on his face ?. Or have you got some secret photos of him and some unidentified packets of walkers crisps that nobody else has ever seen!. ;D

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Originally Posted by stripes39

Quite right Mick. What people voted for then bears no resemblance to what they have now. I went to a debate on Leave/Remain prior to the vote that was televised by Bloomberg. Ex Chancellor Nigel Lawson was on the Leave side. He made a valid point when he said the biggest issue for him with staying in is the erosion of our fundamental rights to influence a change in laws and our right to be heard and to replace those that don't listen. He went on to say that he knew very well on a personal level several of the key architects of the Common market and the EU. He said that they were very clear from Day 1 that the Common Market was but a stepping stone to bring us the EU and that a federal superstate with a centralised bank, law making and currency was always the goal. Interestingly, he also said that there is no record anywhere in the world where states have joined up and worked without fiscal union. So, democracy and the right to be heard aside, how many of the Remoaners out there would join the Euro today?

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In my opinion, you're seeking the answers to the wrong question. We opted out of joining the Euro, that was our choice and it was the right one. We have to have the same regulations for trade as other nations to be part of a common market.

The questions I ask myself are, will the country be economically better off leaving the EU or remaining in it? And will my children have more opportunity to prosper being in the EU or not?

The EU isn't perfect, no organisation is - The UK Govt definitely aren't perfect either. But both of my answers are to remain in the EU, for future prosperity and opportunity.