Admin appeals 12 point deduction

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

1. Yes. Look back and I put it in BOLD type. I have also posted on here that I saw NO reason for us to appeal. However, using the appeal as a possible bargaining chip does look like it might have been a good move.

2. Sky Sports and other outlets said 9. The EFL and DCFC have said absolutely NOTHING on it. In fact, at the time Sky reported 9 points the EFL response was that the discussions were ONGOING.

3. The 3 suspended had nothing to do with FFP. They were put there "just in case" we were late with the wages again.

4. Wednesday's 12 points (reduced to 6 on appeal) were for putting the proceeds of the ground sale into a previous year's accounts to avoid exceeding FFP. The EFL found that Derby's ground sale was above board. I'm not sure why you even mentioned the Wendy deduction as it is not relevant to any punishment Derby have had or might get at this time.

5. Reading. Dodgy stadium sale you say. If you're right then it has no relevance to any FFP measures taken against Derby.

6. As already stated in 4 and 5 above, the transgressions of Wednesday and Reading are not the transgression of which Derby have yet to be charged. I have yet to see an EFL statement saying Derby has been charge with exceeding FFP. Basically, you're trying to correlate the measures taken by SWFR and RFC on the ground sales with FFP measures Derby might get hit with if ever charged on the matter (semantics I know as we will get charged and punished, 99.9999999% certainty)

7. Dragging on. Hardly Derby's fault it's take so long. Covid hasn't helped the situation making it difficult to get people together for hearings and appeals which stretched proceedings. Decisions took forever to come, hardly Derby's fault. The EFL appealed the original not guilty verdicts. Also not Derby's fault.



You still haven't explained how you understood from my previous comments in this thread that we might only get 3 points total. I mentioned the 12 we already have. I said PLUS 3 making 15. As I have already explained, that 3 points was a press report, not my thoughts. I merely said that, if true, it would be great. You then go off on one using comparisons that are as leaky as a colander.

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You may as well argue with a brick wall, neither facts nor figures are understood by this buffoon!

Well DET also reporting appeal against 12 likely to be dropped and a 9pt deduction accepted as best way to move forward for the club and able to leave administration.

By the way MA, my understanding is that this will settle the matter once and for all, there will be no transfer embargo or restrictions on squad size, new owner's will have a clean slate, subject of course to complying with FFP rules.

My view is that the EFL have behaved appallingly here, they won one point of their case on FFP in the appeal, basically on an accounting practice technicality yet feel another 9 pt deduction is appropriate?

But then maybe thats down to Mel, pissing them off? whatever the guy's legacy is a club in league 1, brought to its knees by complete financial mismanagement!

Owners eh? If only he'd brought in people who understood football and had a sustainable strategy for the club, he could have been a success, instead, we were the scam victims of the championship, paying over the odds for players clubs were only to happy to get rid of! We really must have had a piss poor scouting team, I realise that buying a player can easily be hit and miss, but to spend so much money on players who turned out to be utter dross or not worth anywhere near wat Derby paid for them smacks of incompetence.

We could easily field a team from our expensive cast offs and one that on the amount paid, would be one of the most expensive in the division.

-21 pts means that as a competitive spectacle, every game from now on in is meaningless, Derby should just use them as practice matches, blood young players and stick two fingers up to the EFL. There is literally no pint in watching these games.

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Originally Posted by swaledale

There is literally no pint in watching these games.

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Many will feel the same, not great for gate sales sadly. I'd suggest the club uses it as an opportunity to lower prices and get more people in, but it will probably upset season ticket holders who've paid full whack.
What a fudging mess Mel has left us in.

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Originally Posted by swaledale

My view is that the EFL have behaved appallingly here, they won one point of their case on FFP in the appeal, basically on an accounting practice technicality yet feel another 9 pt deduction is appropriate?

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If correct, the 9 point deduction will be for exceeding FFP in one or more of the 3 year periods ending in 2016, 2017 and 2018. That as a result of having to resubmit the accounts for those 3 years. I wonder how we'll do in the 3 three year FFP periods ending in 2019, 2020 and 2021........ "News" outlets were reporting 3 points last week. Mel said 4 points in his Radio derby interview a few weeks back.

Over the past weeks and months we've seen a lot of rubbish posted online and in the press about DCFC and the EFL. "News" outlets like FLW, Athletic and the 92 have apparently fabricated all manner of rubbish. The DET has regurgitated a lot of it. All need clickbait to fund their enterprises. I have no idea whether this 9 point penalty posted/printed yesterday is any more true than the 3 point penalty reported last week by the usual suspects. Those responsible for printing/posting it probably don't have an idea either. Personally, although I might speculate on things, I won't believe an extra 3 or 6 or 9 or however many point deduction we receive until it's officially announced on the EFL/DCFC pages.

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

If correct, the 9 point deduction will be for exceeding FFP in one or more of the 3 year periods ending in 2016, 2017 and 2018. That as a result of having to resubmit the accounts for those 3 years. I wonder how we'll do in the 3 three year FFP periods ending in 2019, 2020 and 2021........ "News" outlets were reporting 3 points last week. Mel said 4 points in his Radio derby interview a few weeks back.

Over the past weeks and months we've seen a lot of rubbish posted online and in the press about DCFC and the EFL. "News" outlets like FLW, Athletic and the 92 have apparently fabricated all manner of rubbish. The DET has regurgitated a lot of it. All need clickbait to fund their enterprises. I have no idea whether this 9 point penalty posted/printed yesterday is any more true than the 3 point penalty reported last week by the usual suspects. Those responsible for printing/posting it probably don't have an idea either. Personally, although I might speculate on things, I won't believe an extra 3 or 6 or 9 or however many point deduction we receive until it's officially announced on the EFL/DCFC pages.

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Can't argue with that, much of what's reported seems to be made up to fill media space! However, there is a consistency about the 9 pts so I guess we will just have to see.

After seeing the final verdict two words!
Thanks Mel!!

So, it's official. Another 9 points deduction plus 3 suspended just in case we don't keep to the agreement.

Extrapolating points gained so far over a 46 game season points to us needing 44 points from 29 games to avoid relegation. That ought to be possible. I know extrapolation is far from an exact science but if we get close to that 44 more points from 29 games I will be happy with the season.

There will be calls to blood the young uns. I'm wary of that. There is the point of fielding your best/a strong side in each game to avoid giving one team an unfair advantage over the rest of the League. If we did start playing more youngsters might the EFL dock us points next season for fielding weakened sides?

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

So, it's official. Another 9 points deduction plus 3 suspended just in case we don't keep to the agreement.

Extrapolating points gained so far over a 46 game season points to us needing 44 points from 29 games to avoid relegation. That ought to be possible. I know extrapolation is far from an exact science but if we get close to that 44 more points from 29 games I will be happy with the season.

There will be calls to blood the young uns. I'm wary of that. There is the point of fielding your best/a strong side in each game to avoid giving one team an unfair advantage over the rest of the League. If we did start playing more youngsters might the EFL dock us points next season for fielding weakened sides?

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We need to continue to go it. Crash and burn by all means but never surrender

Play the youngsters, concede defeat by 4 or 5 in each game - except against Middlesbro, then let Gibson try and sue us for being unfair against them!

Anyway it would be nice to have the record of the lowest points total ever in both 2 top flight divisions. At least we would have something to write home about this millenium, unlike some of our neighbours

Just a snippet from the EFL report

22.1 3 years up to and including financial year 2016/17 - £46.76m loss, i.e. £7.76m in excess of the Upper Loss Threshold;
22.2 3 years up to and including financial year 2017/18 - £28.12m loss i.e. £10.88m under the Upper Loss Threshold;
22.3 3 years up to and including financial year 2018/19 - £50.72m loss i.e. £11.72m in excess of the Upper Loss Threshold; and
22.4 4 years up to and including financial year 2020/21 - £40.96m loss i.e. £1.96m in excess of the Upper Loss Threshold.

Looking at that we got off lightly having exceeded 4 three year FFP periods.