OT Border Control State of Emergency

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Originally Posted by UlleyMiller

The internet has turned into a swamp full of people (and bots, I'd imagine) crying out for watertight controls of borders (which are larger than the USAs BTW)

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Huh, what stat is this? It seems impossible.

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Originally Posted by Shark27

I think a comprehensive study into the impact on health care would be very useful to enable people to have a better understanding of the impact of migration on the UK. As yet there doesn’t seem to be one.

Also, regarding benefits, I would have thought that should be quite easy for the government to be able to produce the stats.

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You're talking legal migration?

There are 2 angles to this re health care.

1. Our health and social care services have been hugely propped up by immigrants coming in specifically in the last few years to fill these so called low to mid skilled jobs as we couldn't fill them domestically (low wage and low status vs long hours and very demanding work in care sector). So the first thing you'd have to say regarding migration impacting health care is surely it's a god send? I'm sure we'd all prefer the jobs to be higher wage and status so that they could be filled by domestic work force but we're simply not prepared to vote for politicians that prioritise higher funding of these sectors.

2. Looking carefully at the reports I linked you to, it looks on balance that the majority of migrants, most notably in the mid to higher skills sectors bring in a positive surplus when migrated to domestic work force (who are going through schools and colleges before contributing to the economy. And obviously the contributions through skills, taxes and spending goes towards the economy including funding health sectors.

That's not too deny that lower skills and historic migrants that have fallen on benefits (or only ever known benefits) aren't a drain. Of course they are. But on balance, economy wise, the positive contributions (in my opinion, seeing as we are not willing to fund domestic upscaling to meet these essential services) outweigh the negatives.

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Originally Posted by ragingpup

You're talking legal migration?

There are 2 angles to this re health care.

1. Our health and social care services have been hugely propped up by immigrants coming in specifically in the last few years to fill these so called low to mid skilled jobs as we couldn't fill them domestically (low wage and low status vs long hours and very demanding work in care sector). So the first thing you'd have to say regarding migration impacting health care is surely it's a god send? I'm sure we'd all prefer the jobs to be higher wage and status so that they could be filled by domestic work force but we're simply not prepared to vote for politicians that prioritise higher funding of these sectors.

2. Looking carefully at the reports I linked you to, it looks on balance that the majority of migrants, most notably in the mid to higher skills sectors bring in a positive surplus when migrated to domestic work force (who are going through schools and colleges before contributing to the economy. And obviously the contributions through skills, taxes and spending goes towards the economy including funding health sectors.

That's not too deny that lower skills and historic migrants that have fallen on benefits (or only ever known benefits) aren't a drain. Of course they are. But on balance, economy wise, the positive contributions (in my opinion, seeing as we are not willing to fund domestic upscaling to meet these essential services) outweigh the negatives.

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I don’t know if it’s a God send. I don’t know whether the massive increase in population is effectively covered by the migrant workers coming to work in the health care sector. Also add onto that the additional costs related interpreters. That’s why I would like to see a study.

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Originally Posted by Shark27

I don’t know if it’s a God send. I don’t know whether the massive increase in population is effectively covered by the migrant workers coming to work in the health care sector. Also add onto that the additional costs related interpreters. That’s why I would like to see a study.

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It's not a godsend. It's utter bollox. This narrative needs to change.

Excuses and more excuses. People need to take responsibility and look after and provide basic care to their own elderly relatives. We don't need the world and their families to provide it. Time we sorted out our own house and got tough with the shirkers. After all, it's clear the majority of the electorate don't want mass immigration. If you don't want it and you're currently taking the pi$$, get off your arse and do the dirty jobs yourself.

We're heading for trouble. The main parties are truly done for and now it's a free for all for more extreme movements to gain power.

The more gullible seem to be the people who call everyone else gullible. Figure that out.

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Originally Posted by howdydoo

It's not a godsend. It's utter bollox. This narrative needs to change.

Excuses and more excuses. People need to take responsibility and look after and provide basic care to their own elderly relatives. We don't need the world and their families to provide it. Time we sorted out our own house and got tough with the shirkers. After all, it's clear the majority of the electorate don't want mass immigration. If you don't want it and you're currently taking the pi$$, get off your arse and do the dirty jobs yourself.

We're heading for trouble. The main parties are truly done for and now it's a free for all for more extreme movements to gain power.

The more gullible seem to be the people who call everyone else gullible. Figure that out.

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1. You seem to be assuming that too many people don't care about their parents and just consign them into the care system. It would be stupid to say that everyone takes full responsibility for their parent's care as they get older, but I would say that the vast majority of people, loving their parents as they will do, will do everything in their power to keep them as comfortable and happy as they can be in their old age.

2. Despite that, most people simply can't take on full care of their parents as they get older. Most people are paying mortgages and rent until they near retirement themselves. Where do they get the time or be able to afford to provide full time care?

Although yes, it does seem pretty rich for people to moan about immigration but then rely on immigrants to care for their family and themselves.

2. I stated BASIC care.

Over six hundred illegal migrants have crossed the channel today,meanwhile an Algerian *** offender allowed to flee from prison is still at large, after over six days on the run.The govt.has still not recognised this as a State of Emergency.The protection of the British citizens should be the top priority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do we have a government ??

They?re clueless ,out of their depth and totally out of touch

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Originally Posted by Stansmate

Do we have a government ??

They?re clueless ,out of their depth and totally out of touch

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Sounds like Kent County Council

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Originally Posted by Stansmate

Do we have a government ??

They?re clueless ,out of their depth and totally out of touch

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Or the Republican Party