Liz Truss

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Originally Posted by baggiematt

They would spend more on public services because they were in power during an era when they could spend more on public services.

Have a look at public spending since Tories were in power. Miles more than Labour before them (excluding 2008/9). You won’t see the benefits of it because it’s not spent on public services or making the country a better place for citizens.

It’s keeping the economy from collapse. It’s spent on welfare, infrastructure, pension, debt repayments etc..

Public service spending does little for the economy…and if your economy is f*cked you have no money for public services. It’s painful but tell me an alternative?

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There are a few points i’m trying to make here Matt. I question the scale of austerity imposed by the coalition back in the 2008 mess and how we were told we all need to make sacrifices. Yet this talk about growth being needed, but really it’s the big corporations that are really the ones benefitting. One of many things I believe is that some services should be public owned and those working for them should be incentivised where profits go back to staff (small percentage) and some re-invested rather than the current way where profits go to shareholders. Northern Rock back on its feet and returning profit.. great.. oh let’s sell it to shareholders.

The point I keep making about long term growth is that it’s only really possible if you’ve got a strong stable economy, we literally have no contingency for anything. In that I mean, we have no wealth for starters that we can fall back on when things go wrong.. it’s always burrow burrow. We’re a G7 nation but we punch above our weight and have nothing to show for. Weve created barriers with our biggest trading partner. We never seem to have anything for rainy days.
You only need to look at how our neighbors are doing. Take rail travel in Germany for instance or free bus pass for under 21s in France. We should all have a relative amount of wealth, a level playing field. But the greedy at the top will never allow this. This is a rushed response and I could go on but i’m sure you’ll get fed up.

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Originally Posted by baggiematt

They would spend more on public services because they were in power during an era when they could spend more on public services.

Have a look at public spending since Tories were in power. Miles more than Labour before them (excluding 2008/9). You won’t see the benefits of it because it’s not spent on public services or making the country a better place for citizens.

It’s keeping the economy from collapse. It’s spent on welfare, infrastructure, pension, debt repayments etc..

Public service spending does little for the economy…and if your economy is f*cked you have no money for public services. It’s painful but tell me an alternative?

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I completely disagree with you. Especially Public service spending does little for the economy

Putting on bus services and affordable rail options helps people get to work. More firemen in theory means the country is safer, and more able to be productive. More policemen in theory should deter crime - which will help business. Investing in education means in theory we have more educated people coming into the workplace when they are of working age. Austerity does not drive growth, which is what we need.

We're not spending on public services, because its spent on debt repayments
Then why are we so much further in debt than in 2010. And were already heading this way pre pandemic. Your perspective makes no sense.

Some alternatives;

- A proper plan for business growth, as Regis points out growth has stagnated since 2010.
- Government investment into future global industries, especially renewable green technology
- Not spanking cash away on government crony contracts
- Not creating trade barriers with the largest trading bloc in the world, who are on our doorstep

There's some off the top of my head.

I understand you try to be balanced. But when the Tories have been so bad for so many years - it makes it hard to understand the angle you are coming from.

I have limited faith in Labour because I firmly believe that they have less competent individuals than the Tories. I also believe that they are too influenced and reliant on the far left. However, I do agree with them that the utilities, energy, water, transport, etc. should be nationalised. In that way the profits made can be reinvested in the various industries and not in profits to shareholders. I realise that it wouldn't be an easy task to renationalise but I do think that it would be the best way forward. Many will disagree with me on the points made but they are my personal opinions.

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Originally Posted by Leicesterbaggie

I have limited faith in Labour because I firmly believe that they have less competent individuals than the Tories. I also believe that they are too influenced and reliant on the far left. However, I do agree with them that the utilities, energy, water, transport, etc. should be nationalised. In that way the profits made can be reinvested in the various industries and not in profits to shareholders. I realise that it wouldn't be an easy task to renationalise but I do think that it would be the best way forward. Many will disagree with me on the points made but they are my personal opinions.

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We are all entitled to our opinions.

All I would say is that it would take some doing being less competent than these Tories.

Well she has a full plate of "Things to do" when she walks into her office. Going to be difficult for who ever got the job.
In war times countries are suppose to come together.
What makes this war different is that people still don't feel they are involved in it or are far away from it. But war in the 21st century was always going to be different from historical wars of yore.
This is proven to be the case.
For a new world order to begin the old one must collapse or transition. We just happen to be alive for it.

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Originally Posted by WBA123

We are all entitled to our opinions.

All I would say is that it would take some doing being less competent than these Tories.

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Everything about your posts ( that’s fine ) is how the Tories are incompetent. Lib Dems is a wasted vote so presume you voted Labour and will vote Labour in the next election? Just so I can understand fully your dissatisfaction and not that some posts I am in disagreement!

Many wanted Boris out and got their wishes and now attacks are being made on Truss and many say they wish Boris was still in power! I need some paracetamols!

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Originally Posted by baggieal

Everything about your posts ( that’s fine ) is how the Tories are incompetent. Lib Dems is a wasted vote so presume you voted Labour and will vote Labour in the next election? Just so I can understand fully your dissatisfaction and not that some posts I am in disagreement!

Many wanted Boris out and got their wishes and now attacks are being made on Truss and many say they wish Boris was still in power! I need some paracetamols!

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A large part of our problem is that the two main parties are themselves so divided.

They can’t even get on with themselves!

Even now, the Sunak mob are painted as coalescing ready to make things difficult for Truss in the way the Hard Left make life difficult for Starmer.

It’s pathetic.

On all sides of the political debate it’s about self interest, consensus and working together just go out of the window, people are so wedded to their particular dogma to the detriment of common sense.

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Originally Posted by baggieal

Everything about your posts ( that’s fine ) is how the Tories are incompetent. Lib Dems is a wasted vote so presume you voted Labour and will vote Labour in the next election? Just so I can understand fully your dissatisfaction and not that some posts I am in disagreement!

Many wanted Boris out and got their wishes and now attacks are being made on Truss and many say they wish Boris was still in power! I need some paracetamols!

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I voted Lib Dems last election, and will do so again next.

My constituency is Richmond Park, a Lib Dem MP won here last time.

For what its worth, I don't think Labour are that great. I just think that they're less woeful than the Tories.

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Originally Posted by WBA123

I voted Lib Dems last election, and will do so again next.

My constituency is Richmond Park, a Lib Dem MP won here last time.

For what its worth, I don't think Labour are that great. I just think that they're less woeful than the Tories.

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Fair point! A wasted vote though in constituencies where you want to vote Lib Dem but know for example it will be a Tory landslide! A protest vote really is a waste of time unless out of principle a person wants to make a point!

Personally I don’t even vote as think they are all a shower of c unts! Even now Sunak can’t stand the fact Truss won and threatening to cause trouble and run in the next election. Sunak really is a nasty horrible piece of s hite!

Don’t think Sunak gets it - most people regardless of party do not like to see a back stabbing, corrupt little rich boy come to power especially when his wife does not wish to pay taxes and was one of the last to cease financial interests in Russia. Sunak is like Trump - rich beyond belief and it’s a power trip!!

I hate the fact the Tories are for the rich but sadly there’s no decent opposition. Not to hammer the energy companies with a windfall tax like other EU Countries ie Germany is shocking!! I would renationalise all of them!!

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Originally Posted by baggieal

Fair point! A wasted vote though in constituencies where you want to vote Lib Dem but know for example it will be a Tory landslide! A protest vote really is a waste of time unless out of principle a person wants to make a point!

Personally I don’t even vote as think they are all a shower of c unts! Even now Sunak can’t stand the fact Truss won and threatening to cause trouble and run in the next election. Sunak really is a nasty horrible piece of s hite!

Don’t think Sunak gets it - most people regardless of party do not like to see a back stabbing, corrupt little rich boy come to power especially when his wife does not wish to pay taxes and was one of the last to cease financial interests in Russia. Sunak is like Trump - rich beyond belief and it’s a power trip!!

I hate the fact the Tories are for the rich but sadly there’s no decent opposition. Not to hammer the energy companies with a windfall tax like other EU Countries ie Germany is shocking!! I would renationalise all of them!!

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I’m sure the name you want for Sunak is Ssssunake baggieal.

Anyway, what I don’t understand is this.. with the tories in charge, we practically know everything about them to conclude how inept they have been as compared to how much we know about labour. Somehow we know so much about labour that they won’t do a better job - i think some of you are too firmly stuck to your right wing beliefs it’s clouding your judgement as what is really going on. Your grandkids will be paying for this debt in years to come.

On another matter why isn’t anyone calling out Truss for appointing cabinet ministers from diverse ethnic backgrounds? You all take a pop at woke bbc when they do this, but Tory appointments no.

I’m so glad to see the back of Sh itty Pratel, sorry I take that back. Glad this hippo has gone. You might all think i’m anti tory, far from it. 12 years of this mess and you all still defend them. infact i can’t decide what would be worse, 12 years of Tory ineptitude or 12 years of Pulis.