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Originally Posted by legs77

Osbourne has been offered a new deal?

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Yes but if he sees an old pro being signed he is smart enough to know he will move down the pecking order.[/QUOTE]

Right, but you stated ‘that he’s easily good enough for the squad, but he won’t do for Ardley’. If that were the case, Ardley wouldn’t have offered him a deal?

If Ardley does decide to bring in another player, and we don’t know that is the case, it gives 4 players for 2 wide positions. Which is right in my book.

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Originally Posted by Kyle95

I think getting rid of the academy wouldn't be the worst idea. As much as we would love to have a team of top academy players it's just not possible right now. If we are real about it we would have to commit all our resources into the academy to make it work, and it would take 5-10 years minimum to see positive results imo. Added to that we have Forest, Derby, Leicester ect on our doorstep. Forest have one of the best run academies in the Country, so lets face it, we will most likely miss out on the city's best youngsters anyway.

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Scrap the academy and scout the local amateur scene , sign up the talent, coach it and reap what you have sown .
Its Got to be better than what we have been doing ?

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Originally Posted by Killerkline

Yes but if he sees an old pro being signed he is smart enough to know he will move down the pecking order.

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Right, but you stated ‘that he’s easily good enough for the squad, but he won’t do for Ardley’. If that were the case, Ardley wouldn’t have offered him a deal?

If Ardley does decide to bring in another player, and we don’t know that is the case, it gives 4 players for 2 wide positions. Which is right in my book.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he has been offered a deal but let’s not forget he wasn’t even 3rd choice he played O’Brien wide in the play offs so if another comes in he is going to drop down further and he will know that.

The only chance Osbourne has here is if Ardley is sacked.

We have a terrible culture in this country I remember hearing so called “experts” who have all played for big clubs/countries saying Trent Alexander-Arnold he can’t defend and he can’t do this the lad is only 21 playing at the very highest level and he has way more plus points than negative if he is getting this level of scrutiny than it is not surprising a no mark like Chettle is saying what he is supposed to have said about Sam.

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Originally Posted by Freeman25

Any parent with a brain cell that wasn't a Notts County fan would think Forest were a much better option for their child, their facilities and recent history of bringing through players is leaps and bounds ahead of ours and Matty Cash, Ryan Yates, Tyler Walker, Joe Worrall, Jordan Smith, Brennan Johnson and Alex Mighten are all players from their academy currently in their first team squad so the argument of getting more football doesn't hold up too well either.

Your last sentence doesn't make much sense either, how could you argue that "most experienced players over the last decade haven't made it" when they're experienced? The fact they have experience means they already made it, if they've had a decent career up until they come to Notts there's a decent chance it's our fault it doesn't continue as we've had our fair share of sh*te managers and a very poorly ran club for the last probably 15-20 years.

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You make some excellent points. In terms of academies in the area then we must be well down the pecking order if we are being honest. That’s not to say we shouldn’t have one though.

For many years I’ve said on here we really need to forge good relationships with our neighbours namely Forest, Derby and Leicester and try and get young players from their academies on loan. We’ve had a few good ones from Forest in recent years. Even wider afield like Aston Villa and Celtic.

This is why a club like ours should never have dropped out of the league. There is enough pool of young talent in our area that a couple of decent loan players or released academy players could do a job at L2 level. That’s why I believe clubs like Rochdale, Oldham and Bury (until their financial problems) could always build a league team because they had Man City, Man Utd on their doorsteps and players that went for trials or were released from those clubs could stay in the area.

I think what we are doing now as a club is right. Build a young team that are hungry and cherry pick young players that may have gone under the radar like Cal Roberts and maybe some of our new signings will be similar. These kind of players can move up with the club or if they become good enough move upwards onto better things quicker than the club rises. No more +32/33 retirement players wanting to top up their pensions with the exceptions being characters like Doyle and O’Brien, and others in the recent past who have played at the highest level such as Jon Stead, Alan Smith, Shola Ameobi.

A sprinkling of quality loan players like Grealish, McGregor which are the best young players we’ve had on loan in the past ten years would help make a good squad in the Lower leagues

Yeah he has been offered a deal but let’s not forget he wasn’t even 3rd choice he played O’Brien wide in the play offs so if another comes in he is going to drop down further and he will know that.

The only chance Osbourne has here is if Ardley is sacked.

We have a terrible culture in this country I remember hearing so called “experts” who have all played for big clubs/countries saying Trent Alexander-Arnold he can’t defend and he can’t do this the lad is only 21 playing at the very highest level and he has way more plus points than negative if he is getting this level of scrutiny than it is not surprising a no mark like Chettle is saying what he is supposed to have said about Sam.[/QUOTE]

So, Ardley does believe Osbourne is good enough for the squad? Your original point was that he didn’t.

Currently - do you believe Osbourne is better than Enzio and Roberts? I don’t. Is Osbourne worth a place in the squad? I believe he his, so does Ardley.

In terms O’Brien. The move out wide worked in the semis(selected ahead of Enzio also)so Ardley went with the same line up in the final. Didn’t work and I hope it won’t happen again.

With regards to Trent Alexander-Arnold, not sure what your point is here or what relevance it as to Chettle supposedly giving an opinion on Osbourne. But anyway, when TAA first came on the scene, he wasn’t strong enough defensively. Still not the strongest part of his game, but the positives now out way the negatives.

Which high profile experts were unconvinced about Alexander-Arnold ?

Name and shame

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Originally Posted by Freeman25

It's a gamble, throw out a cheap net and see if you get any catches pretty much, the vast majority of people in youth teams don't make it, that's just the way it is. In the EFL you do HAVE to have at least one player in your squad (starting 11 or bench) that's home grown at the club for every game though so there's that too.

Kyle is spot on about our local competition sweeping up most of the best young talent in the area too, competing with Forest, Derby & Leicester and finding/keeping hold of someone with true talent is like winning the lottery, even if we did get them here you'd imagine their parents would be constantly waiting for the chance to jump to one of the other teams.



So you'd drop one of our best players and one of the best players in the league, to make way for Osborne because he's home grown?

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That's a loaded question Freeman "Drop one of our "best" players"? I could be sarcastic and say No, I'd drop the most useless one..... (Edit: Comment not aimed at any particular individual) Not my point though. My point is that in my world there is room for Roberts AND Osbourne, in a team that drives forward with pace and passion. If you'd prefer sideways crab football with the team consisting of players who cant get in Motherwell reserves you are entitled to that view of course.

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Originally Posted by legs77

Them players have all been at Forest and to my knowledge none were here so your point makes no sense I’m talking about players who are here yes if they do well they will get sold same with Cash will if a EPL team bids a decent amount for him.

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My point made perfect sense, you just missed it. You tried to make the point that if youngsters came to our academy they'd likely get more first team football, I listed those Forest players because they show the opposite is true, they're far higher up in the leagues with Forest AND getting first team football, because their academy and ability to pick and choose the best young talent around here ahead of us and Mansfield allows them to, anyone looking at academy's needs to take one look at Forest's squad and you wouldn't worry about your kid getting held back.

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Originally Posted by Woodsetts_Pie

That's a loaded question Freeman "Drop one of our "best" players"? I could be sarcastic and say No, I'd drop the most useless one..... Not my point though. My point is that in my world there is room for Roberts AND Osbourne, in a team that drives forward with pace and passion. If you'd prefer sideways crab football with the team consisting of players who cant get in Motherwell reserves you are entitled to that view of course.

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It's not that loaded unless you think Osborne can play in a position that isn't the wing or you'd like an inovative formation with 3 wingers. Sloth is a central midfielder so whether he plays doesn't affect Osborne, he's competing with Roberts and Enzio and isn't as good as either.

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Originally Posted by Freeman25

My point made perfect sense, you just missed it. You tried to make the point that if youngsters came to our academy they'd likely get more first team football, I listed those Forest players because they show the opposite is true, they're far higher up in the leagues with Forest AND getting first team football, because their academy and ability to pick and choose the best young talent around here ahead of us and Mansfield allows them to, anyone looking at academy's needs to take one look at Forest's squad and you wouldn't worry about your kid getting held back.



It's not that loaded unless you think Osborne can play in a position that isn't the wing or you'd like an inovative formation with 3 wingers. Sloth is a central midfielder so whether he plays doesn't affect Osborne, he's competing with Roberts and Enzio and isn't as good as either.

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How many good games did you see Enzio have last season ? I went to every game, and in many games he was very average or poor. Only occasionally did he excel with his wonder goals. At least when Osbourne played he did at least put the effort in, and score a couple of good goals.. Regardless of how good he could be, Ardley will always pick his cronies..

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Originally Posted by durhampie

How many good games did you see Enzio have last season ? I went to every game, and in many games he was very average or poor. Only occasionally did he excel with his wonder goals. At least when Osbourne played he did at least put the effort in, and score a couple of good goals.. Regardless of how good he could be, Ardley will always pick his cronies..

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I didn't see every game and agree Enzio doesn't produce enough. As for Osborne, I don't know why Notts offered him a contract. He is way off being a first team regular and should be looking to move on to a club where he can get regular football. Putting in effort is the very least I expect from a professional footballer but sadly it seems not always the case.