Hull City Post Match Thoughts

[CAMiller]

When we scored on 16 minutes I knew either my heart or our defence wouldn't survive for 74 minutes and I was right, thankfully (for me anyway) on the latter. Despite the family environment at the club it's surely time PW reminded the team that from 40-50 minutes is not a tea break.

Some positives that we showed fight and the ability to change things up when needed and have goals throughout the team. Looking ahead to Millwall I feel we can give them a game despite their finish last season and a good start this. Hopefully our neighbours will give them a kicking tomorrow night to soften them up.

Thoughts? Looked like we might break our 0-4 record against Nigel Adkins but it wasn't to be.

[Karl998yr]

Taylor isnt consistent enough to start games in the championship. His defending for their 2nd goal was inept. It required a basic kick into touch yet he tried to control it in the box without having a clue where their player was, got dispossessed and they score. That goal right there was the turning point

[rolymiller]

Vyner and Taylor to blame for first 2 goals. A balls up on left hand side for 3rd. The daft thing is all of these could have been avoided by some simple league 2 defending.Warne has got to drop Taylor. He runs about yeah but thats it. Procs looked good when he came on as did Newell. I was most disappointed in Vyner though because I thought he had been ok in the other games but he didnt win a header all game and his passing was awful. Vaulks was another headless chicken. The problem is who do we replace Vyner, Taylor and Vaulks with...4 5 1 was not the right formation either. The midfield was by passed by us and them so might as well have played with an extra forward.

A good comeback though in spite of all that but all a tad too late.

Ref was crap as well so nowt ever changes in the champ on that either.

[bogsdollox]

Vyner and Taylor to blame for first 2 goals. A balls up on left hand side for 3rd. The daft thing is all of these could have been avoided by some simple league 2 defending.Warne has got to drop Taylor. He runs about yeah but thats it. Procs looked good when he came on as did Newell. I was most disappointed in Vyner though because I thought he had been ok in the other games but he didnt win a header all game and his passing was awful. Vaulks was another headless chicken. The problem is who do we replace Vyner, Taylor and Vaulks with...4 5 1 was not the right formation either. The midfield was by passed by us and them so might as well have played with an extra forward.

A good comeback though in spite of all that but all a tad too late.

Ref was crap as well so nowt ever changes in the champ on that either.

Totally agree Roly - Taylor and Vaulks offer NOTHJING in this league and Vyner is very poor.All in all our MF is totally lacking in ideas so when we eventually do get possession everybody runs away from the player with the ball and then its launched to Smith who tries hard but again has limited ball control.I would bring Jones in for Vuner,Wiles for Vaulks and also consider Wood's future as seen last night he is so slow.

[Derbymiller]

1st goal was 100% mattocks fault he failed to deal with the situation and yet again let the cross come from the left hand side, how can we blame the right back for the left back allowing yet another cross. Clough used to say that a full backs job was to stop crosses into the box, Joe Mattock does not do that job
2nd goal 3 players screwed up, yet again Mattock for not stopping the cross when he had a simple clearance, Rodak for not catching and Taylor for not clearing
We have two awful fullbacks and they need to be dropped and two loans brought in one left back and one central midfielder and vaulks moved to right back

[leedsmiller]

Wouldn't disagree with much that's been said but the simple truth is we have a League 1 squad playing at Championship level. Almost every game we could name 4, 5, 6... players who've had a poor game generally or made mistakes that led to us conceding but is it right to blame the players? They're not performing badly out of choice, they're doing the best they can, in the main, they're simply way out of their depth. But that's a fact of our life in the Championship, we're not competitive enough.

Players are the easy targets but before citing them I'd look to our recruitment strategy and our coaching staff.

That said, Warne and company need time to work out our best starting XI, best formation, best tactics etc and hopefully to strengthen the team. Obviously we haven't got too much time as there's little doubt at the current rate we're heading for the bottom three, then to be cast adrift with no chance of recovery. The fixtures aren't designed to instil confidence wherever we look but let's see how the staff adapt over the next 4 - 6 games. What's obvious to us is surely obvious to them (isn't it?).

Right now, it's hard to imagine three teams worse than us come seasons end - so my thanks to QPR for trying harder than everyone to secure one of those positions. Long may it continue (although a change of management can't be too far away).

[PeteWaller]

It's interesting to read comments on how poor certain players were/are. In the main our team consists of L1 players who did well last season and would do well again if we were in L1.

Nothing has changed has it? They will never be able to cope with the demands or the quality of the Championship. It's seriously better than the standards in L1. I think we all hoped that players such as Vaulks might be able to step up the second time around but the ability of most of our squad is not at a Championship level. But it's not the players' faults, they try but they are going to get found out. Visiting teams will go on the offensive when they come to NYS and maybe Warney thought that in his team selection, hoping to hoof a ball to Smithy and catch Hull out. I dunno.

The only thing Warney can do with the budget he has is to try and build, then keep, a team spirit that will challenge any team. This is far harder to do when the team losers games and that "losing" mentality steps in. Not sure why he plays defensively at home given the players he has but it's not really working.

I fear fans will forget that we are lucky to be in this league. The team cannot seriously make a challenge to avoid relegation unless players are brought in. That doesn't appear to be an option. I just hope we can give every game a good go, get in the oppositions' faces. Did well for 45 minutes at Leeds - that effort needs repeating every game.

[gm_gm]

The gulf in class was marked in every aspect of the game, despite Austria they were fitter, they were stronger, first were first to the second ball.

The list goes on, they clever in possession and passed through us with ease, the pressed us hard forcing errors. I do feel for Warne as he’s not got the tools to do the job, we are going to ship plenty this year again.

Taylor...he runs around! That’s it
Vaulks ..gets caught in possession, can pass, he’s really really struggling in this league.
Vyner...lacking confidence, can pass the ball and hasn’t settled yet.
Rodak..punching again at chest height, straight to their player, and that led to a gimme goal.

Serious issues all over the place

[Brin]

Wrong formation from Warne. 4-5-1 at home???? I mentioned my point on that before a ball was kicked.

That was the majority of last seasons winning formula but this is the Championship!
We were lucky to smash and grab 3 points off Ipswich and tonight we were found out by a team very much the same as ourselves and that says a lot of how poor the set up was. Even with five across the middle we couldn’t control the game.

Only when Warne finally got brave by introducing Vassell and Proctor did we look big enough to take the game to them but it was all in
Vain. Poor old Smudge got battered all game with no support from the weaklings Vaulks/Palmer who simply cannot play together in the team. Woeful against Ipswich shocking tonight and for me either should have been dropped at half time.

Their goals. Mattock should have let the ball roll out for a throw in with no pressure and 1 nil up. Instead he tried to be clever and was robbed off the ball. Cross goes in and Vyner, oh dear, couldn’t see the ball out.

Second goal - Why didn’t Rodak catch the ball sit on it and hatch an egg. That’s how much time and space he had instead of a pathetic limp wrested punch straight to them to score.

Third goal- simply put the ball in row Z when under pressure and re group. Will he ever learn this simple tactic?

Lots of negatives and I fear the worst come Sunday unless Warne has a serious re think about tonight and how wrong his formation was.

[roscoemiller]

Wrong formation from Warne. 4-5-1 at home???? I mentioned my point on that before a ball was kicked.

That was the majority of last seasons winning formula but this is the Championship!
We were lucky to smash and grab 3 points off Ipswich and tonight we were found out by a team very much the same as ourselves and that says a lot of how poor the set up was. Even with five across the middle we couldn’t control the game.

Only when Warne finally got brave by introducing Vassell and Proctor did we look big enough to take the game to them but it was all in
Vain. Poor old Smudge got battered all game with no support from the weaklings Vaulks/Palmer who simply cannot play together in the team. Woeful against Ipswich shocking tonight and for me either should have been dropped at half time.

Their goals. Mattock should have let the ball roll out for a throw in with no pressure and 1 nil up. Instead he tried to be clever and was robbed off the ball. Cross goes in and Vyner, oh dear, couldn’t see the ball out.

Second goal - Why didn’t Rodak catch the ball sit on it and hatch an egg. That’s how much time and space he had instead of a pathetic limp wrested punch straight to them to score.

Third goal- simply put the ball in row Z when under pressure and re group. Will he ever learn this simple tactic?

Lots of negatives and I fear the worst come Sunday unless Warne has a serious re think about tonight and how wrong his formation was.

Totally agree Brin.

I'm on holiday but as soon as I saw the line up with only one up front I could not understand Warnes thinking. Were the home side FFS. We need to attack at home its the only way we will win any points, as soon as he changed things the stats say we were stacks better. Big mistake tonight by Warne he should admit to it no excuses...