Grumbles about Warne

[swaledale]

So its apparent there is a section of the fan base that is starting to grumble about Warne, I know there are some on here who don't "warm to him" though for me my judgement on a football manager/head coach has always been whether he does the job he has been employed to do, rather than his likeability or otherwise.


Its funny how past achievements are quickly forgotten as IMO, entitled fans feel their team should be doing much better. I guess that the way for many fans.


Most realistic fans surely know that this season is work in progress, with the main aim being to avoid relegation and continue to develop a team that is capable of making a promotion challenge. For me Warne has to date done what's expected of him.

He had a good transfer window, albeit it wasn't possible to sign a striker that will get double figures in a season, but then given the budget that was always going to be difficult. I don't expect this issue to be resolved in the January transfer window either, a striker of the quality required rarely becomes available mid season at an affordable price. Perhaps however a good loan signing will be possible.

Overall we are where I expected the team to be in what is a very tight division. Yes we need to pick up points to maintain our position but murmurings about changing the manager are surely ludicrous at this stage of the season?

Warne deserves a season in the championship and a review of where Derby are next May.

[ramAnag]

So its apparent there is a section of the fan base that is starting to grumble about Warne, I know there are some on here who don't "warm to him" though for me my judgement on a football manager/head coach has always been whether he does the job he has been employed to do, rather than his likeability or otherwise.


Its funny how past achievements are quickly forgotten as IMO, entitled fans feel their team should be doing much better. I guess that the way for many fans.


Most realistic fans surely know that this season is work in progress, with the main aim being to avoid relegation and continue to develop a team that is capable of making a promotion challenge. For me Warne has to date done what's expected of him.

He had a good transfer window, albeit it wasn't possible to sign a striker that will get double figures in a season, but then given the budget that was always going to be difficult. I don't expect this issue to be resolved in the January transfer window either, a striker of the quality required rarely becomes available mid season at an affordable price. Perhaps however a good loan signing will be possible.

Overall we are where I expected the team to be in what is a very tight division. Yes we need to pick up points to maintain our position but murmurings about changing the manager are surely ludicrous at this stage of the season?

Warne deserves a season in the championship and a review of where Derby are next May.

The problem is, Swale…it’s now November and since mid September we’ve hit relegation form with one win and just six points from the last 24 available.

Warne got us up and to go up at all, let alone automatically, looked unlikely this time last season and was a big achievement.
He’s also made four or five excellent seasons along the way.

On the debit side he’s also made a number of average signings along with some very questionable ones and there doesn’t seem to have been much progress or evidence of the team gelling recently.

He’s also been unlucky with the injury to Nyambe in particular and our inability to provide effective cover at RB proving enormously destabilising. It also means we may well have to spend on a RB in January when we really want to put our limited resources into a goal scorer.

It may be that by 5.00pm next Saturday we’ll have collected another six points and all will be well again. Personally I doubt it, but should we lose at Coventry and go a goal down to Plymouth then I fear the atmosphere may become toxic which won’t help at all. If I remember correctly the last time we met Plymouth at PP we were cruising at 2-0 before succumbing to three late goals. Can’t afford a repeat of that as three points next weekend looks essential.

[swaledale]

The problem is, Swale…it’s now November and since mid September we’ve hit relegation form with one win and just six points from the last 24 available.

Warne got us up and to go up at all, let alone automatically, looked unlikely this time last season and was a big achievement.
He’s also made four or five excellent seasons along the way.

On the debit side he’s also made a number of average signings along with some very questionable ones and there doesn’t seem to have been much progress or evidence of the team gelling recently.

He’s also been unlucky with the injury to Nyambe in particular and our inability to provide effective cover at RB proving enormously destabilising. It also means we may well have to spend on a RB in January when we really want to put our limited resources into a goal scorer.

It may be that by 5.00pm next Saturday we’ll have collected another six points and all will be well again. Personally I doubt it, but should we lose at Coventry and go a goal down to Plymouth then I fear the atmosphere may become toxic which won’t help at all. If I remember correctly the last time we met Plymouth at PP we were cruising at 2-0 before succumbing to three late goals. Can’t afford a repeat of that as three points next weekend looks essential.

I did hope that you may have a more realistic view of matters this season, but it seems you are again failing to look at the bigger picture and take into account the transfer and wage budget Warne has at his disposal. Stoke for example spent over £6 million last transfer window alone on improving an established championship team. Derby have spent less than half that and are changing a L1 team into a championship team, that takes time and money.

Whilst I wouldn't argue that some of Warne's signings are bang average, certainly for this league, it is surely unrealistic to think that shopping in the bargain basement as Derby were until recently won't mean that some signings don't work out as well as hoped?

Losing 1 out of the last 5 games is hardly relegation form, yes at least 1 more win from those games would have been preferable (and by the way put us level with Norwich on pts, just to add context). But Derby have not been outclassed and at the moment are mid table, which is surely where most realistic fans thought we would be? Look at West Brom who can't get a win at the moment, dips in form happen.

If the atmosphere does turn toxic, then shame on those fans who it seems have forgotten there nearly wasn't a club just over 2 years ago! A little patience and a reality check is required, this is a very tight competitive division, those with more resources can not only buy better players, but also afford to have better quality players to cover for injuries, whereas Derby at the moment have to rely on players that are perhaps no better than L1 standard in these situations.

What is required is for fans to back the team, I see no reason why Derby won't stay up this season, but fully expect it to be a little nerve shredding at times any fan who thought that wasn't going to be the case has unrealistic expectations.

[ramAnag]

I did hope that you may have a more realistic view of matters this season, but it seems you are again failing to look at the bigger picture and take into account the transfer and wage budget Warne has at his disposal. Stoke for example spent over £6 million last transfer window alone on improving an established championship team. Derby have spent less than half that and are changing a L1 team into a championship team, that takes time and money.

Whilst I wouldn't argue that some of Warne's signings are bang average, certainly for this league, it is surely unrealistic to think that shopping in the bargain basement as Derby were until recently won't mean that some signings don't work out as well as hoped?

Losing 1 out of the last 5 games is hardly relegation form, yes at least 1 win from those games would have been preferable (and by the way put us level with Norwich on pts, just to add context). But Derby have not been outclassed and at the moment are mid table, which is surely where most realistic fans thought we would be? Look at West Brom who can't get a win at the moment, dips in from happen.

If the atmosphere does turn toxic, then shame on those fans who it seems have forgotten there nearly wasn't a club just over 2 years ago! A little patience and a reality check is required, this is a very tight competitive division, those with more resources can not ony buy better players, but also afford to have better quality players to cover for injuries, whereas derby at the moment have to rely on players that are perhaps no better than L1 standard in these situations.

Bit harsh…and I completely agree with your final paragraph but, whichever way you look at it, 6/24 points in our last eight games is relegation form.

You’re right…we haven’t been outclassed and again, I agree, we haven’t had the same resources as other clubs and we are, largely, confined to the ‘bargain basement’.

I’m reserving judgement on PW, but you know as well as I do how things CAN go at PP. There is a, not entirely unlikely scenario, where things could get very tense on Saturday afternoon and see currently third from bottom Plymouth possibly going above us. I obviously hope that doesn’t happen but the ‘natives’ don’t always handle such situations well.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Bring back Rosenior

[ramAnag]

Bring back Rosenior

Ha, ha. Your words…not mine.

P.S. Signings not ‘seasons’ in para’ 2 of post #2. Apologies.

[Andy_Faber]

I see the club 'in the round' and in the same way that an unattractive style of play takes a bit of gloss of good results, so a manager who is to say the least 'odd' in some of his communications concerns me regarding his ability to put that to one side and retain respect within 'the dressing room'. I've seen that undrawn line between the boss and the bossed become too blurred for its own good many times in my years in industry in I get that same feeling with Warne.

I do however think we should persevere with him for the rest of this season, and so long as he doesn't relegate us, for next season too, for two reasons - continuity, I think a new manager would struggle to make a big difference to results, and cost, we shouldn't be chucking even more compensation funds down the drain.

Of course, 'new investment' might enable, and for that matter demand, a change

[SithHappens]

Unless we really start to struggle he should stay.

The last thing we want is to become trigger happy like Mel was. Fans demanding change would do well to reflect on how that turned out.

[macstheman]

I think MA highlighted the problem some fans have with Warne when he asked the question why do we sit back and invite a team to get at us. Does he not have enough confidence in his players or is it his style. Fans want their team to be proactive not looking like they're frightened of their own shadow.
Warne does divide opinion but I don't see Clowes the sort to panic but as has been said new money may not have his patience.
A rocky road ahead methinks.

[Ramshank72]

Clowes has already shown that he won't pull any panic triggers, and it paid off last year. Warne come into the job on the premise of (and he's said this) taking one step back and 2 forwards. I don't see any of that changing unless we hit a long winless streak and a lost dressing room.
I doubt there are many that would have not taken our current points tally if offered this at the start of the season.