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Thread: Player Ratings versus BHAFC

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    If the team plays well, can they be said to be "ept"? One for Ellie I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellafella View Post
    Player Ratings versus BHAFC
    Carson: Cannot really remember him having a save to make. Distribution was pants though: straight- kicked in to touch on 4 occasions and a couple of hospital-pass kicks to Christie. 6/10
    Christie: No attacking intent of note until the 83rd minute when Blackman had been withdrawn suggesting tactically told to stay put when Blackman was on. Some good work very late on when he looked a threat. 7/10
    Keogh: The usual game; busy, with some lively runs out of the box. 6/10
    Shackell: 7/10. Very assured and solid.
    Baird: 6/10 Did the job at left-back. Tidy and sensible. What a shame Mr and Mrs Forsyth had an early night 9 months to the day of the big kick off because Mr Forsyth was holding his Mrs’s hand when he should have been flying down the wing. Baird didn’t go over the half-way line.
    Bryson: 8/10. Excellent game by Bryson playing very defensive midfield; positioned just in front of the back four, he tackled well and kept the shape and moved the ball on well. What a waste of a superb footballer though. Bryson had a poor season by his own admission a couple of seasons ago explaining “The manager played me very deep”.
    Johnson: 5/10 Was the crowd cheering his withdrawal or the arrival of Will Hughes? Oh dear Bradley...some mis-placed passes and a seeming lack of appetite and flair. But a nice hair bun.
    Hendrick: 6/10. Lots of toil but never really knits anything together .
    Blackman: 5/10. Started well with a couple of runs down the right wing and all looked ok. Then disappeared. Is this man really a footballer? Mr Pearson thinks he has a lot of potential but didn’t say what for...
    Ince: 3/10. Anonymous. Had no service. Almost fashioned a goal late in the game when things opened up but lack of possession in midfield by Derby meant he just had scraps. Lost possession on a couple of occasions when he did have the ball.
    Bent: 3/10 Ran around a lot. Zilch service.
    Subs:
    Hughes: 8/10. Derby improved 60% when Hughes was introduced after 60 minutes. Suddenly we kept possession and started to make inroads into Brighton’s half and we even started to threaten their goal. Mr Pearson thinks Blackman has great potential; has yet to say anything about Will Hughes. Maybe he’s got his head in the sand.
    Butterfield: 7/10 for Ince 0n 83. Also livened things up adding possession and mobility to midfield.
    Martin: 6/10 ; for Blackman (69 mins). Gave us shape up front after 69 minutes of amoeboid-like dimensions. Suddenly we looked almost like a team .
    Management. 2/10
    I will admit that I haven’t been part of the merry band who have been blowing warm smoke up Mr Pearson’s derriere since he was appointed (“He’s done it before”, “He’s the man etc”) and his team selection justified my reservations. How can you see potential in Blackman and put Will Hughes on the bench? Just a couple of months after Hughes ran the game in their backyard on the south coast? How can you nullify Bryson by playing him at CDM? How can you put out a team that was devoid of any idea other than to pass to Blackman, who then lost it? How can you not bring on Russell to stretch the game when it needed stretching? Derby were 2nd best to Brighton who actually were below par How can you claim credit for a point by saying in previous seasons Derby County would have lost that game? Really Mr Pearson? We drew 2-2 and 1-1 with Brighton last year. They finishe 11 points above us. The season before we beat them 3-0 at home and mullered them 6-2 in a play-offs after beating them 2-1 away twice. I’m just not convinced by authoritarian hard-staring. If you want to know the best Derby team to pick, just ask a supporter and don’t insult us with twaddle post-match.
    Carson made one blinding save in the second half... Nice to see you give some realistic marks for once. Don't agree with Bryson's 8 but generally near the mark.
    Some of the marks given last year were well over the top by some posters.

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    Amazed you give Bent only a 3/10. I thought he was one of our better performers on the day. Fed scraps, but worked his socks off trying to make something out of nothing. Kept putting himself into scoring positions and working the CHs, more than could be said for several other players

    Johnson you rated higher? Really? His match summed up by when he controled a pass from Baird, and in playing a simple return put it into the crowd.

    Keogh was equally the disaster of old waiting to happen!

    Shackell, Rams MotM for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by macstheman View Post
    Definition of chaotic: confused and lacking organisation - yep pretty accurate. Definition inept: incompetent and lacking in skill - yep that's right as well!! So we were incompetent, lacking in skill and organisation and every sod in the ground was confused!!

    Although a reasonable assessment of peformances, it is after all an opinion and its very early to criticise Pearson, very easy for fans to say who should play, we turned in some piss poor performances last season with the players some say should be have started - no one knows the fitness of various players or what pearson was trying to achieve, agree it didn't look great, but lets give Pearson and Powell a chance, on the face of it they should have the nouse and experience to achieve success, time will tell, but IF picking a successful football team was as easy as fans seem to think it is, then one wonders why even proven managers don't always manage it!

    As for his after match comments, I would have thought he said something very different to the players be interesting to see what team he picks for the league cup and then the next league match, but give the guy time to sort out who can buy in to his philosophy and who cant, I dont see him tolerating abysmal performances for very long and if after say 10 games we are still confused then this judgement might be right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    Don't think I've ever known you so critical Ella. Can't disagree with very much of it although I am puzzled about you giving Bryson 8/10.
    Good in parts but seemed short on pace and energy...got booked for bringing Sidwell down after being completely outpaced by someone who must be amongst the oldest in the league.
    My frustration is really to do with the team selection Anag; as many others have said, it was just plain wrong.

    I did forget the save by Carson about 1 minute in to the second half...I did see it but from the other end of the ground so didn't quite appreciate how good it was. I gave Bryson 8 because he did the job that he was presumably asked to do...but playing in such a deep role reduces his potential impact so much.

    Basically the midfield was all wrong. We had no symmetry, or balance or possession. The thing that did it was the set up of the team. Unless Pearson learns quickly, we are destined to see an already mature and seasoned team unravel. That has been my fear from the point that Pearson was appointed. As Mistaram says, why doesn't he just have a chat with Darren Wassall...he could learn a thing or two. I suspect he won't though;

    Not sure I can sit through many more displays like that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swaledale View Post
    Although a reasonable assessment of peformances, it is after all an opinion and its very early to criticise Pearson, very easy for fans to say who should play, we turned in some piss poor performances last season with the players some say should be have started - no one knows the fitness of various players or what pearson was trying to achieve, agree it didn't look great, but lets give Pearson and Powell a chance, on the face of it they should have the nouse and experience to achieve success, time will tell, but IF picking a successful football team was as easy as fans seem to think it is, then one wonders why even proven managers don't always manage it!

    As for his after match comments, I would have thought he said something very different to the players be interesting to see what team he picks for the league cup and then the next league match, but give the guy time to sort out who can buy in to his philosophy and who cant, I dont see him tolerating abysmal performances for very long and if after say 10 games we are still confused then this judgement might be right!
    I think sometimes the team reflects the manager...McClaren didn't need anything near 10 games to get this established team playing. In short Swales, the issue is really about team set up ...Pearson got it totally wrong in midfield. How long before he realises Blackman is a total misfit? And Hughes should be the first name on the team sheet ALONGSIDE Bryson? That is the team's CPU. It's not rocket science and Pearson's philosophy should be canny enough to see what is blatantly obvious to 25,000 regular supporters. The modern game is beset with "experts" who try and suggest that football is far more complicated than it really is: just play players in their natural positions and tell them to express themselves. I seem to recall Clough snr had a similar approach...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryRam View Post
    Carson made one blinding save in the second half... Nice to see you give some realistic marks for once. Don't agree with Bryson's 8 but generally near the mark.
    Some of the marks given last year were well over the top by some posters.
    Good to have you posting again Angry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by su4eranio View Post
    Amazed you give Bent only a 3/10. I thought he was one of our better performers on the day. Fed scraps, but worked his socks off trying to make something out of nothing. Kept putting himself into scoring positions and working the CHs, more than could be said for several other players

    Johnson you rated higher? Really? His match summed up by when he controled a pass from Baird, and in playing a simple return put it into the crowd.

    Keogh was equally the disaster of old waiting to happen!

    Shackell, Rams MotM for me
    I didn't and don't doubt Bent's efforts but without midfield possession Bent is an energetic passenger. Did he have a shot whole game? Good to have your views as always SUEeranio

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    When I referred to you being unusually 'critical' Ella I wasn't actually being...critical. Your match reports are usually so valued precisely because they are so balanced and one can certainly sense your frustration this week.

    Understand your disgruntlement with the team selection and the use of Bryson but it is very early days and I do think he contributed little after the booking, so 8/10 seemed more than a little generous to me.

    As far as Pearson is concerned I have always had mixed feelings. I don't particularly like the man either but then I don't have to and that's not really relevant. I remember speaking to a Leicester season ticket holder on holiday about three years ago. He said he wasn't renewing as long as Pearson was in charge. Don't know what the outcome was but I suspect he was singing a different 'tune' a year later when they destroyed the rest of the Championship playing some great football. We seem to have needed a 'hard man' to handle to some of our 'characters' for a while now but it does seem slightly ironic that people are now calling for Wassell's input after all the flak he took last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    When I referred to you being unusually 'critical' Ella I wasn't actually being...critical. Your match reports are usually so valued precisely because they are so balanced and one can certainly sense your frustration this week.

    Understand your disgruntlement with the team selection and the use of Bryson but it is very early days and I do think he contributed little after the booking, so 8/10 seemed more than a little generous to me.

    As far as Pearson is concerned I have always had mixed feelings. I don't particularly like the man either but then I don't have to and that's not really relevant. I remember speaking to a Leicester season ticket holder on holiday about three years ago. He said he wasn't renewing as long as Pearson was in charge. Don't know what the outcome was but I suspect he was singing a different 'tune' a year later when they destroyed the rest of the Championship playing some great football. We seem to have needed a 'hard man' to handle to some of our 'characters' for a while now but it does seem slightly ironic that people are now calling for Wassell's input after all the flak he took last season.
    I didn't think you were bring critical Anag; and in any case I can take criticism from you as it is always a point well made. In fact, I really welcome healthy debate; I am genuinely pleased to see posters like Swales, Angry, Roger, SUE, Mista, et alia because all have a very healthy desire to discuss what they're passionate about.

    Wassall was of course very harshly dealt with by some fans. Those same fans are I suspect the ones who are now blowing warm smoke up Mr P's glutus maximi. And yet...Mr P in my book, is not quite the all-knowing footballing philosopher that some people may think. And evidence to support views that I have accumulated on the evidence of the past was presented on Saturday when he selected that team...My son Edward who is 13 knew that it was just a botched effort and we all (my 2 sons and I) braced ourselves for a pile of ...frankly; and that's what we saw.

    I truly hope Mr Pearson can see the error of his ways...when he starts to get it right I will be the first to say so...but I fear for the squad. My fear is that we will start to see a demolition job because I have a sense that Mr P is always very clear that he is right all along the way...

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