O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[i961pie]

Steer Calmer forensically takes Bozo apart at PMQ most weeks but Joe Public isn't looking - what he/she likes is Bozo's smiling buffoonery. I am wondering whether Burnham's charisma would make a better job.

Having a 'Sir' in charge of the Labour party might put some people off, my old dad would turn in his grave if he knew

[Elite_Pie]

Steer Calmer forensically takes Bozo apart at PMQ most weeks but Joe Public isn't looking.

It's taken far too long, but hopefully a few are looking now. I've just watched a clip of his shambolic speech to the CBI, and the fact that this incoherent, bumbling mess is the person supposedly leading the country surely can't go unnoticed for much longer.

[magpie_mania]

It's taken far too long, but hopefully a few are looking now. I've just watched a clip of his shambolic speech to the CBI, and the fact that this incoherent, bumbling mess is the person supposedly leading the country surely can't go unnoticed for much longer.

"Yesterday I went, as we all must, to Peppa Pig World," Johnson told the business executives. "I loved it. Peppa Pig World is very much my kind of place: it has very safe streets, discipline in schools."

Johnson asked the audience of business executives who had been to the theme park in Hampshire, southern England, which says it is the world's largest Peppa Pig World and "perfect for toddlers".

"I am surprised you haven't been there," Johnson said to those executives who had not visited the park, which includes various rides for young fans of Peppa.

"Who would have believed that a pig that looks like a hairdryer or possibly a Picasso-like hairdryer, a pig that was rejected by the BBC, would now be exported to 180 countries with theme parks both in America and China?"

[frenchmagpie]

It's taken far too long, but hopefully a few are looking now. I've just watched a clip of his shambolic speech to the CBI, and the fact that this incoherent, bumbling mess is the person supposedly leading the country surely can't go unnoticed for much longer.

We live in a fairly rural part of France. Our neighbours are not particularly worldly but frequently greet us with laughter about the latest antics of the Brit government and the leaders. Boris is a particular source of mirth. They cannot imagine how anyone voted for him or Brexit.

[andy6025]

It can be true that there is/was a problem with anti semitism on the far left of the Labour Party AND it has been used as to beat it with by people who’ve never given a toss about any form of racism.

Of course Johnson promised on live tv to Sajid Javid an enquiry into islamophobia in the Tory party but that’s turned out to be another lie.

Far left here. The establishment doesn’t care about real anti semitism. It cares about protecting Israel’s interests, and deflecting any criticism of it. Corbyn had to go because, unlike the ‘moderate’ centrists of the supposed ‘left’ on both sides of the pond before him, he wasn’t kow-towing to the well funded apartheid state. They would have tried the same thing with Sanders, except that he’s Jewish.

[SaltySeaDog]

Come the elections the media and social media campaigns will make labour look like the child snatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and the public will forget about all that's gone before and fall for promises of shiny sparkly things delivered by those that live in mansions from foreign shores with monies resting in far away bank accounts.

Exactly. The stuff the papers were churning out about Labour & Corbyn last time around was disgusting. But it worked

[BigFatPie]

Far left here. The establishment doesn’t care about real anti semitism. It cares about protecting Israel’s interests, and deflecting any criticism of it. Corbyn had to go because, unlike the ‘moderate’ centrists of the supposed ‘left’ on both sides of the pond before him, he wasn’t kow-towing to the well funded apartheid state. They would have tried the same thing with Sanders, except that he’s Jewish.

I always worry when people use the word ‘establishment’, because no one can seem to agree what it actually means, apart from to mean ‘people I don’t agree with’. It was used during the referendum vote to pretend the leave campaign was an ‘anti-establishment’ movement despite having the vast majority of the governing party and 80% of the print media behind it. Who do you think it means?

Imo Corbyn had to go because he’d lost two elections and was a terrible Labour leader. He associated himself with known anti-semites like Chris Williamson and Ken Livingstone and refused to deal properly with complaints from Jewish members of the party. Allegations that there was some deeper conspiracy by pro Israeli interests against him could be interpreted as being anti Semitic as well, but you’re obviously a well educated guy so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I’m in no way a ‘centrist’ and liked a lot of the policies of the last Labour manifesto and the one before. I accept though that many people don’t feel that way, and Starmer moving more to the centre is unfortunately the only way we’re going to get rid of this terrible government.

[i961pie]

I always worry when people use the word ‘establishment’, because no one can seem to agree what it actually means, apart from to mean ‘people I don’t agree with’. It was used during the referendum vote to pretend the leave campaign was an ‘anti-establishment’ movement despite having the vast majority of the governing party and 80% of the print media behind it. Who do you think it means?

Imo Corbyn had to go because he’d lost two elections and was a terrible Labour leader. He associated himself with known anti-semites like Chris Williamson and Ken Livingstone and refused to deal properly with complaints from Jewish members of the party. Allegations that there was some deeper conspiracy by pro Israeli interests against him could be interpreted as being anti Semitic as well, but you’re obviously a well educated guy so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I’m in no way a ‘centrist’ and liked a lot of the policies of the last Labour manifesto and the one before. I accept though that many people don’t feel that way, and Starmer moving more to the centre is unfortunately the only way we’re going to get rid of this terrible government.

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[magpie_mania]

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I like Starmer, I am just not sure that he's enough of a leader to win an election.

That said, he's more a Leader than Johnson, but he's not got the charisma that BJ has.

We need something of a mixture of Burnham and Starmer.

Can't see anyone really on the Labour benches who would make a decent PM - and the Tories aren't far behind!

[Elite_Pie]

So yet again, we have a Prime Minister who is happily lying through his teeth to the people who elected him. This 'Christmas Party' lie is far worse than the Dominic Cummings lie, and that was bad enough. At least that was about just one person breaking the rules, this latest one is about loads of them breaking the rules. It was reported that there were 'several dozen' Tory aides and workers at this party. I'd take that to be 50 or 60 or more. They know who they are, so is not a single one of them prepared to tell the truth? Is the lying culture perpetrated by Boris Johnson so deeply ingrained that all of them will either lie or hide from the question?

I know the usual lame excuses from the Tory supporters on here will be "all politicians lie" or "Corbyn would have been worse", but neither are relevant. Does anyone think it's acceptable that while millions were making huge and heartbreaking sacrifices, the party that made the rules were not only breaking them but also finding it funny?