Have We Signed Anyone Yet?

[MillersTime]

To add. TS cannot bridge the gap in one go without investing at a level that would seriously compromise us should the worst happen and we still get relegated. We would have no quick way to regenerate the funds lost whilst maintaining the quality of squad that we have. RUFC isn't a money making machine so you have to be more careful than other clubs.

[KerrAvon]

1 of 4 why?

I meet quite a few people in my work who think the world should work as they want it too rather than as it actually does. They are often only children

[mygiddypant]

it wasn’t all on players. It was to help Rotherham united to establish themselves in the championship. He walked away from the deal because Rotherham are his baby and he doesn’t want to share. That’s what I was told by a member of Rotherham united. Someone who I speak to every home game. I have said don’t know if it’s true but this person has no reason to tell porky pies.

Well, if these are your "facts" then I have to say that they are a little lacking in substance. If the investment (how much?) wasn't all intended to be spent on players then what else that results in becoming established? Surely you become that by winning more games than last time? Which is down to a better squad. Or am I missing something?

[MillersTime]

you keep believing the chairman’s bull****. He could piss down your back and tell you it’s raining and you’d believe him .

It is a shame when you aren't remotely interested in engaging in conversation and hearing where the opposite viewpoint comes from and why. You absolutely despise it when people say about moaners on here, 'they just have an opposite viewpoint', you generally say. But then anyone who disagrees with you is just a lick arse, TS is a God, fool. Where has the middle ground gone?

[MillersTime]

Well, if these are your "facts" then I have to say that they are a little lacking in substance. If the investment (how much?) wasn't all intended to be spent on players then what else that results in becoming established? Surely you become that by winning more games than last time? Which is down to a better squad. Or am I missing something?

I wondered about this. I assume we would be employing someone to smash pans outside the hotel rooms of all visiting players before a game and install sauna level heat into the away dressing room.

[Derbymiller]

As the Brummies say, “It’s all about the munnoy”

Not the first time we have been usurped at the last minute and won’t be the last, Stevie May, Smudger etc to name just a couple.

I guess the last minute let down is worse, but in this particular case is no big deal to me, in fact I take it as a positive in terms of the money we are prepared to offer, which could be better utilised to get a striker from the lower leagues who would be happy to come for the money on offer.

The guy clearly didn’t fancy us at the start, so we should have cleared him off at that point.

Seems like a player happy to take the money and sit on the bench which is what most likely will happen at Wigan. Don’t want another Dexter Blackstock thanks.

The players wages don't change in a loan deal, he gets paid what he is contracted to earn from watford, so whether Rotherham pay watford 1p or £1m he gets the same. He is as likely to spend time on the bench at rotherham as he is at Wigan, when eaves is fit he will will be first choice, perhaps he has heard how Hirst was not given a run in theteam, perhaps he hasn't. I agree with you that if he doesn't fancy us then we don't want him, but for godsake how has it got to a situation where discussions have been going for weeks and after PW states he has had multiple chats with the player and he is certain he wants to come, do we find out he doesn't want to come. Let us remember that one of Smith or Icky were going to stay, and PW spoke to them constantly and they told him, it seems to me either PW doesn't know when he is being fibbed to or perhaps isn't as good a judge of people as he thinks. Icky states in his interview in the star today, that it was the Wednesday manager that inspired him to go, whether you believe that or not, it is what he is quoted as saying. I think PW is such a nice guy, he genuinely thinks these people (players and agents) are being honest with him, unfortunately it appears they are not, I think the player thinks Wigan have a better chance of staying up, so he won't be in a relegation battle add to Watford getting a better financial deal, and we are yet again sat with egg on our faces. Players want an easy life and playing for Rotherham in the Championship is not that, it is a battle every game to scrape enough points to stay up. Brin has a point that TS doesn't seem to be going that extra mile that they said they would and poor PW is left as the nice bloke trying to get players to take on a very hard job, you have to feel for him. Lets hope they can pull a couple of irons out of the fire before the window closes and keep what we have.

[CAMiller]

it wasn’t all on players. It was to help Rotherham united to establish themselves in the championship. He walked away from the deal because Rotherham are his baby and he doesn’t want to share. That’s what I was told by a member of Rotherham united. Someone who I speak to every home game. I have said don’t know if it’s true but this person has no reason to tell porky pies.

That's the same 'story' I heard and like probably everyone on here have little insight into whether it's true. However, let's assume it is. Do you think the 25M was a gift from a charitable benefactor or do you think it had some strings attached? If so, what were they? 50% ownership? 60% ownership? Who knows? Whatever they were they obviously weren't to TS's liking.

I'm pretty sure if a Saudi backed consortium came in with a 200M offer (they seem to have plenty of cash with what they are spending on LIV Golf, NUFC etc.) then TS would think about the future of RUFC, think about the impact it would have on the fans and the town in general, think about his legacy and how it might be tarnished, and then at the end of all that like any sane human being he'd sell in an instant.

[Derbymiller]

The other day it was 'if we pay more than what we offered Smith TS would be stupid' and today it is 'we haven't paid 18k, TS is tight'. I suppose either way you'll be able to bash the chairman.

And you do make me laugh Derbymiller. You don't 'buy' all this about funds being the deciding factor. If he wanted to be here he would. What a load of rubbish. Nobody can be that financially naive. Players says yes to both clubs. Both clubs enter negotiations with the loaning club. Club a offers 18k. The full wage. Yes, we will accept that gleefully says the loaning club. Club b, us, we will offer 10k. Nah, you're alright. Loaning club to player, we have accepted a bid from club a, you can join there. You can't join the other because in business we have to agree to a deal and we didn't. I know bugger all about business but it isn't that hard to understand what has happened.

Crap news, wouldn't of given him 18k a week so club did the right thing. Hopefully we find someone else but heart says we probably won't.

My point was that the impression that came out from the press chatter (could be crap!!) was that the two clubs had already agreed the financial element of the deal, so if Wigan came in with a better deal at the last minute, then Watford broke the agreement with Rotherham.

[gru]

Happy clapper?

Well I'm clapping with one hand

TS is a great business man, PW is a good manager but together they've peaked.

Maintain the status quo and I'm happy but if there are genuine plans to improve further then PW isn't the man to do it.

Agree. Warney best manager we've ever had you av in a laugh! Dream boy turned into nightmare boy! How naive are we with recruitment? Two weeks waisting time however we were in contact with him. Making club look stupid!

[MillersTime]

The 'he would earn the same whether with us or Wigan' argument is not relevant here. One club successfully negotiated how much they would be willing to pay of the wages, the other, us, didn't. So one bid got accepted, one didn't. Simple as that.

If reports are correct, it wasn't about Fletcher's preference. Completely irrelevant. It was all decided on the negotiating table. He cannot join a club that his club haven't agreed a deal with.