Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

If UK were a dog, the vet would put us down. #brokenbritain

[MadAmster]

So does a taxi driver/ lorry driver/ bus driver/ pilot/ pizza guy on a moped/. What's your point?

Like I said automate it and remove the lousy service these plebs deliver and the unions power to disrupt the economy with a closed shop.

You mentioned train drivers in post #1469. Nobody else had. I wrote a post on part of a train driver's responsibility in reply to your post. Do you not understand that THAT is how forums (and in person conversations) work?

Get out of bed the wrong side this morning, did you? I mean, Pizza guy on a moped? You cannot be serious, however, you probably are...

[ramAnag]

Jesus RA, is that what you really think?
I myself have driven machinery using 12 hydraulic levers at the same time, in a dangerous environment, as well as driving locomotives underground. It isn't rocket science. Many rail systems around the world are at least semi automated, some fully automated. I bet your car does a lot of work for you as well. Mine does. Cruise control/ lane assist/ auto cruise fast-slow/ auto brake/ collision alert/ etc. Teslas are ready now for full auto drive, as soon they give in.

Are you telling me, that a train driver, that gets more money than squadren leader at level 8, flying a Typhoon or F35 fighter bomber has a difficult job, worthy of that pay scale?

The MP's salary needs increasing , to keep the job competitive for the best brains going. No second jobs/ no gifts/ no funding. Just do the job you was selected for. That is your focus. Don't want it still, then don't do it?

I haven’t mentioned squadron leaders or Typhoon/fighter bomber pilots because I haven’t got a clue how they compare.
I just feel you’re being a little disrespectful to train drivers and the idea of anyone giving you ‘12 hydraulic levers’ to manage simultaneously in a ‘dangerous environment’ is something I find deeply disturbing.

[macstheman]

I haven’t mentioned squadron leaders or Typhoon/fighter bomber pilots because I haven’t got a clue how they compare.
I just feel you’re being a little disrespectful to train drivers and the idea of anyone giving you ‘12 hydraulic levers’ to manage simultaneously in a ‘dangerous environment’ is something I find deeply disturbing.

🤣🤣🤣👌

[Trickytreesreds]

I haven’t mentioned squadron leaders or Typhoon/fighter bomber pilots because I haven’t got a clue how they compare.
I just feel you’re being a little disrespectful to train drivers and the idea of anyone giving you ‘12 hydraulic levers’ to manage simultaneously in a ‘dangerous environment’ is something I find deeply disturbing.

I could say the say the same with the corruptable young minds having to deal with your bonkers "softy, we surrender" attitude.
I learned through an apprenticeship, to know every machine under my jurisdiction, inside and out.
Let me tell you, those 12 levers became second nature, whilst moving back and forwards and probably watching a cutting head at the same time.
So yes, I was being disrespectful, in the fact that a train drivers job has been trumpeted up, beyond belief.
Also, if you have no idea how a modern day jet fighter complexity compares to operating a train, then god help you. Refer back to line 1
Just to help you.
A train driver requires a couple of GCSE's
A pilot minimum, To become an RAF pilot, one requires passing grades in maths, English and at least three other GCSE subjects and at least two A-level results of a Grade C or higher. A fighter pilot? Lets just say a lot more

[Trickytreesreds]

You mentioned train drivers in post #1469. Nobody else had. I wrote a post on part of a train driver's responsibility in reply to your post. Do you not understand that THAT is how forums (and in person conversations) work?

Get out of bed the wrong side this morning, did you? I mean, Pizza guy on a moped? You cannot be serious, however, you probably are...

The pizza guy was a jest in response to the hilarity of your post.

Are you trying to tell me, that a train driver, sat in a cab. With a radio, computer control system, an external mangement system and signal system, has more life endagering moments than an artic driver, ploughing down a motorway?
PEN PUSHERS, YOU'RE ALL THE SAME. Know nothing about physics, mechanics, risks, skill levels

[ramAnag]

I could say the say the same with the corruptable young minds having to deal with your bonkers "softy, we surrender" attitude.
I learned through an apprenticeship, to know every machine under my jurisdiction, inside and out.
Let me tell you, those 12 levers became second nature, whilst moving back and forwards and probably watching a cutting head at the same time.
So yes, I was being disrespectful, in the fact that a train drivers job has been trumpeted up, beyond belief.
Also, if you have no idea how a modern day jet fighter complexity compares to operating a train, then god help you. Refer back to line 1
Just to help you.
A train driver requires a couple of GCSE's
A pilot minimum, To become an RAF pilot, one requires passing grades in maths, English and at least three other GCSE subjects and at least two A-level results of a Grade C or higher. A fighter pilot? Lets just say a lot more

Lol! I probably deserved your initial retaliation for taking the piss in the first place, but I’ve no idea what my ‘softly we surrender attitude’ means. What/who was I meant to be getting these ‘corruptable young minds’ to ‘surrender’ to?

You were talking about rates of pay and it was actually that which I was referring to when I said I have no idea how they compare.

As regards train drivers…they do seem to me to have a hell of a lot of responsibility for an enormous number of lives which makes me reluctant to refer, as you did, to them as ‘plebs’.
Of course you’re probably correct that the job is becoming increasingly automated however I’d remind you that, on those relatively rare tragic occasions when there is a serious crash, ‘driver error’ seems to be a common first port of call amongst accident investigators.

[ramAnag]

Anyone know where page 148 is?

[swaledale]

Lol! I probably deserved your initial retaliation for taking the piss in the first place, but I’ve no idea what my ‘softly we surrender attitude’ means. What/who was I meant to be getting these ‘corruptable young minds’ to ‘surrender’ to?

You were talking about rates of pay and it was actually that which I was referring to when I said I have no idea how they compare.

As regards train drivers…they do seem to me to have a hell of a lot of responsibility for an enormous number of lives which makes me reluctant to refer, as you did, to them as ‘plebs’.
Of course you’re probably correct that the job is becoming increasingly automated however I’d remind you that, on those relatively rare tragic occasions when there is a serious crash, ‘driver error’ seems to be a common first port of call amongst accident investigators.

RA, Thicky is just parroting what Trice reform **** has been saying on social media, that defending what Farage earns, saying he "works" hard, whilst train drivers don't.

I mean fancy an MP from a private company that supposedly backs the "ordinary working" man, attacking a group of workers? Thicky hasn't a clue what a train drivers job entails (actually he hasn't a clue full stop) and all this talk of salary comparisons just demonstrates how Thicky, a supposed flag bearer for "liberal" capitalism has absolutely no idea about these matters.

If one was going to start attacking ludicrous salaries, I'd have thought professional footballers and especially those in the premier league would be the place to start, I mean how many GCSE's are required to earn £100k plus a week?

If the value and complexity of a job equalled its salary then there are plenty of roles that society depends upon which warrant more than say an investment banker, a TV presenter Journalists and indeed many Managers and CEO's!

Anyway one wonders, if driving a train was that simple for the pay, why Thicky when mining ceased didn't go for it?

[Geoff Parkstone]

RA, Thicky is just parroting what Trice reform **** has been saying on social media, that defending what Farage earns, saying he "works" hard, whilst train drivers don't.

I mean fancy an MP from a private company that supposedly backs the "ordinary working" man, attacking a group of workers? Thicky hasn't a clue what a train drivers job entails (actually he hasn't a clue full stop) and all this talk of salary comparisons just demonstrates how Thicky, a supposed flag bearer for "liberal" capitalism has absolutely no idea about these matters.

If one was going to start attacking ludicrous salaries, I'd have thought professional footballers and especially those in the premier league would be the place to start, I mean how many GCSE's are required to earn £100k plus a week?

If the value and complexity of a job equalled its salary then there are plenty of roles that society depends upon which warrant more than say an investment banker, a TV presenter Journalists and indeed many Managers and CEO's!

Anyway one wonders, if driving a train was that simple for the pay, why Thicky when mining ceased didn't go for it?

Maybe it's my faulty memory but I seem to recall TTR saying he did previously work as a tube train driver?? He does after all make many claims ☺️