O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[frogmiller]

I will quickly address the latest conspiracy theory on here.

Where a defendant is remanded in custody pending trial in England and Wales, a Custody Time Limit (CTL) applies. For cases in the Crown Court, the CTL requires that the trial starts (by evidence being called) within 182 days of the defendant being first remanded. If that doesn't happen, the defendant must be released on bail.

Suffice to say, the prospect of people accused of serious crimes being released on bail is not an attractive one and for that reason, the courts bend over backwards to list cases for trial within the CTL (with the consequence that 'bail cases' are often bumped to make way for 'custody cases'). Given the demands on court time and the need for time for the prosecution and defence to prepare cases, that often means that custody cases will be listed for trial just before the CTL expiry date.

Anthony Esan first remanded in custody on 25th July, whilst Axel Rudakubana was first remanded in custody on 1st August. That makes it almost inevitable that their trials will be starting at around the same time and with a 20th January start being entirely 'normal'.

Ricky Jones (the former Labour councillor) was first remanded in custody on the 9th of August. There is still a bit of wriggle room on his CTL with a 20th January listing, but, on the face of it, his trial is likely to be far simpler and shorter that those against Esan and Rudakubana and so it's not surprising that it is listed a little longer before the CTL expiry (although I would not be surprised if it gets bumped for a few days).

For sake of completeness, I would add that it is possible for the prosecution to apply to extend a CTL, but the test they must meet is a very high one and they and the courts generally work to avoid such applications like the plague (not least because they subvert the will of Parliament, which set the 182 day limit).

I appreciate that this explanation is far less exciting than some talking head on Twitter claiming that court listing officers up and down the country are involved in some sort of weird conspiracy so please feel free to ignore it.

I said coincidence.

The facts on twitter are right then no? The date for all 3 are the same date.
They could have been earlier though could they not.

Is coincidence not the new word for conspiracy and if you mention the coincidence then you?re a conspiracy theorists.

Like you say it is very complicated but you got to denounce and discredit like a good believer 😂

[OneJohnnyQuinn]

I will quickly address the latest conspiracy theory on here.

Where a defendant is remanded in custody pending trial in England and Wales, a Custody Time Limit (CTL) applies. For cases in the Crown Court, the CTL requires that the trial starts (by evidence being called) within 182 days of the defendant being first remanded. If that doesn't happen, the defendant must be released on bail.

Suffice to say, the prospect of people accused of serious crimes being released on bail is not an attractive one and for that reason, the courts bend over backwards to list cases for trial within the CTL (with the consequence that 'bail cases' are often bumped to make way for 'custody cases'). Given the demands on court time and the need for time for the prosecution and defence to prepare cases, that often means that custody cases will be listed for trial just before the CTL expiry date.

Anthony Esan first remanded in custody on 25th July, whilst Axel Rudakubana was first remanded in custody on 1st August. That makes it almost inevitable that their trials will be starting at around the same time and with a 20th January start being entirely 'normal'.

Ricky Jones (the former Labour councillor) was first remanded in custody on the 9th of August. There is still a bit of wriggle room on his CTL with a 20th January listing, but, on the face of it, his trial is likely to be far simpler and shorter that those against Esan and Rudakubana and so it's not surprising that it is listed a little longer before the CTL expiry (although I would not be surprised if it gets bumped for a few days).

For sake of completeness, I would add that it is possible for the prosecution to apply to extend a CTL, but the test they must meet is a very high one and they and the courts generally work to avoid such applications like the plague (not least because they subvert the will of Parliament, which set the 182 day limit).

I appreciate that this explanation is far less exciting than some talking head on Twitter claiming that court listing officers up and down the country are involved in some sort of weird conspiracy so please feel free to ignore it.

And here endeth todays lesson .true not very exciting

[frogmiller]

And here endeth todays lesson .true not very exciting

And that?s the intention.

Nip it in the bud and stop any sort of questioning 🤨

[frogmiller]

Councillor Steve Edwards isn?t complimentary of the labour leader 😂

[frogmiller]

Starmer is willing to sacrifice our kids for his handlers!

As America tries to negotiate a starting point with Russia Starmer is offering up our troops as peace makers!

Even the European leaders are now laughing at him!

[Timbertop]

And don?t forget the Business Secretary who falsely claims to have been a solicitor on his cv. If this was a Tory government the BBC and Sky et al would have forced another election by now. No wonder Reform ,the common sense party,are leading the polls.

[UlleyMiller]

falsely claims to have been a solicitor on his cv.

It was alleged to have been LinkedIn, not a CV. Minor distinction, and no defence for anyone being a tw@, but the claim was about a LinkedIn profile and comments made during a report.

If this was a Tory government the BBC and Sky et al would have forced another election by now.

Elements of the media would have spoken of it, and HIGNFY and the like would have ridiculed him, but given some of the utter chaos and backdoor shenanigans of the last few years, I doubt an exaggerated LinkedIn profile would ever lead to more than a few laughs at the offending MP.

Reform ,the common sense party

Steve Evans himself wouldn't bullsh** like that, come off it now

[MillerBill]

And don?t forget the Business Secretary who falsely claims to have been a solicitor on his cv. If this was a Tory government the BBC and Sky et al would have forced another election by now. No wonder Reform ,the common sense party,are leading the polls.

100% and inflation has gone up today.The promised decrease in energy costs has gone completely in reverse.Businesses are folding up due to by far the highest energy prices any where that we are paying.The clown Millieband is crucifying this country and totally ignores to use the natural gas we have in this country.In Lincolnshire alone, there would be enough to supply all the nation's energy needs for ten years.That's just Lincolnshire.There's no wonder the wealth creators in this country are leaving to be replaced by the wealth takers, that are arriving in yet bigger numbers.As we all know NET ZERO means NET LOSS.

[ragingpup]

Starmer is willing to sacrifice our kids for his handlers!

As America tries to negotiate a starting point with Russia Starmer is offering up our troops as peace makers!

Even the European leaders are now laughing at him!

What do you want to see as an outcome in Ukraine? Trump says that he hopes he could conclude a deal that would mean Ukraine not having to concede "much land". Are you in agreement with Richard Tice's position in this interview then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWIY...channel=TalkTV

Trump appears to accept that he can reach a deal but Ukraine would have to concede some land, and halt it's request, as a European sovereign nation, to join Nato. So if you were a soveriegn Ukranian, wanting to exercise it's democratice right to protect it's borders and join whichever international organisations that your elected leaders wish to join, how would you respond to external countries both taking part of your territory and forbidding you to carry out an action you, as a sovereign nation, wish to undertake?

[frogmiller]

What do you want to see as an outcome in Ukraine? Trump says that he hopes he could conclude a deal that would mean Ukraine not having to concede "much land". Are you in agreement with Richard Tice's position in this interview then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWIY...channel=TalkTV

Trump appears to accept that he can reach a deal but Ukraine would have to concede some land, and halt it's request, as a European sovereign nation, to join Nato. So if you were a soveriegn Ukranian, wanting to exercise it's democratice right to protect it's borders and join whichever international organisations that your elected leaders wish to join, how would you respond to external countries both taking part of your territory and forbidding you to carry out an action you, as a sovereign nation, wish to undertake?

I haven't seen the interview so I am not aware of Richard Tice.

I want the war to stop! I want to stop paying for a war that could be stopped! I don't want my kids, your kids or anyone elses kids to die fighting in a war if it can be stopped!

You mean like Ireland?