It's still an old argument lol though isn't it? Bring it up and we go back to the arguments we had years ago with the same old views left and right. It just gets recycled. You can put stuff like this on here as many times as you want but you will get the same counter arguments. The problem is some posters like brin are pissed off with the same old shyte from all sides on a footy message board. You have to have some sympathy with him.