Maurice Ross Sacked

[ulaggypie]

Words fail me.

I remember there being absolute outrage on here at the suggestion some Notts fans were sometimes not very politically correct and a bit racist, this thread is all you need to scan through for evidence.

Firstly, Maurice Ross chose to resign according to himself, so any outrage directed at the club for "over reacting" is pretty much null and void.

Secondly, I've not seen ulaggypie on here for a while but I'm glad he's posted some sense in this thread.

The comment was absolutely racist, it was made because Enzio is black, full stop. If it had been a white player that Maurice had questions over their mobility he wouldn't have used a stereotype that's used for african players because it would have made no sense, for example, the comment would never have been made about fellow dutch winger Julian Jenner no matter what you thought of him as a footballer.

Using a racist stereotype doesn't seem as bad as using someone's race and a profanity, or using a racist term to me, but it's not really my place to judge the severity and a bit of a pointless discussion, racism is racism no matter the level and the longer people hang on to "ah well he didn't mean it in a bad way" or "oh it wasn't that bad" kind of talk the longer it remains.

If you throw a stone at a window and it breaks you can't defend the person that threw it by saying "at least they didn't throw a brick", the window is still broken

Cheers bloke! I don't post often at all, and did all but disappear for a long while. There was a certain element of toxicity on NCM that I just didn't care for. It might make me a "snowflake", but I can and do choose where I want to spend my time, and for me, it was better spent elsewhere. I also used to support someone with work to Notts matches, and when he died, I lost my taste for football then. I've not actually been back since the last much I went to with him, sum 8 years ago. Mrs Trew actually offered me a free ticket if I felt ready to return, and I just never really got around to it!

To get back to the topic at hand - it's always been a case of knowing your audience. Banter with your mates is one thing, but a football club is a business. If someone made the same kind of comment inside a professional working environment, he'd be lucky to be given the chance to resign. It was very much a stupid thing to say, and made his position untenable. The fact he resigned is a credit to himself and sparred the club a difficult decision and potentially bad PR.

Looks good on paper I'm not sure what it actually means.
So if he calls a white player lazy it's ok.
But because the player is black he cant allude to him being lazy?
Yes a wrong lazy analogy was used which can be interpreted as being rascist by some.
Like I said before would it have been ok to compare his mobility to that of captain tom..?
Your bit about a stone and a brick sounds lovely but in reality is BS..
Of course there are different levels of abuse whether it be racial or otherwise.
I Still dont know why they couldn't sit down over a coffee (black or white) and sort it out.
Seems so much simpler to do it that way and more constructive as the issue seems to be about race now and not whether Ross had a point about Enzios capabilities as a player?
Just a thought Freeman have you ever experienced racism or read about but in a book.
The reason I ask is simply because there are very different levels of racism from low level water of a duck's back, angst to outright fury.
So yes it does matter if it was a stone that was thrown or a brick ....
What a really stupid and ignorant analogy...infact world beating...
But I wouldn't want you removed from your job for using it,I would hope you could learn from it.

The issue isn't the fact he called Enzio lazy, or expressed doubts about his mobility. As I've mentioned a few times, and as Freeman25 also said, the comment was made specifically because of the colour of Enzio's skin.

Your example about Sir Captain Tom isn't relevant to this. There's a point that could be made that using Sir Captain Tom as an example of poor mobility is offensive in of itself, with regards to infirmity. But that's not what this thread is about. Using Sir Captain Tom as an example doesn't work the same way if you were talking about an English player with poor mobility, because both are English.

Football is full of examples of this kind of lazy stereotyping with racial overtones. How often do football fans refer to a player of colour that's big and muscly as a "beast". And it's little stuff like this that perpetuates the more overt racism. There's a lot of pushback, both from football fans in general and from people in the wider world. "woke police", "PC culture", etc etc. Most of that just comes down to ignorance, people not wanting to accept there are consequences, or people who really need to get some new jokes. If your* jokes need to rely on old, offensive stereotypes, then maybe you just aren't funny.


*When I say your, I'm not talking about you specifically.