by-election

[Elite_Pie]

We help alleviate europe's problems, by allowing angry and frustrated workers the chance to come and milk our economy.

Only a small percentage of immigrants "milk our economy", and they need to be stopped. The majority are prepared to work long hours on low wages doing jobs that many of the scroungers in this country can't be bothered to do. You'll never read a Sun headline about an immigrant family who work hard and contribute to our economy, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Trickytreesreds]

We help alleviate europe's problems, by allowing angry and frustrated workers the chance to come and milk our economy.

Only a small percentage of immigrants "milk our economy", and they need to be stopped. The majority are prepared to work long hours on low wages doing jobs that many of the scroungers in this country can't be bothered to do. You'll never read a Sun headline about an immigrant family who work hard and contribute to our economy, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.[/quote]

Yes but look at the bigger picture EP. We cannot cope.

Whilst some do want to come and work, what damage has it done?

Wages held down
Housing crisis
Services now over loaded
NHS breaking fast
Overcrowding
Communities drowned to quickly

Direct result of europe failing and people fleeing the poverty imposed by the EUSSR and onto our doorstep. It's uncontrolled. If a points system is good

[Stringer_Bell]

We help alleviate europe's problems, by allowing angry and frustrated workers the chance to come and milk our economy.

Only a small percentage of immigrants "milk our economy", and they need to be stopped. The majority are prepared to work long hours on low wages doing jobs that many of the scroungers in this country can't be bothered to do. You'll never read a Sun headline about an immigrant family who work hard and contribute to our economy, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.[/quote]

The scroungers, or the underclass as Charles Murray referred to them (and who the left once would have had you believe didn't exist until they could be used as a weapon to defend immigrants as you have just done) are indeed a problem - but I like to think they are our problem and don't like to conflate immigration issues with it.

Actually it's generally accepted among impartial social sc

[Romanis]

The facts of the matter are I think:

1) The UK needs immigrants and foreign workers. To do jobs that no one wants unless the pay is exorbitant - take Es***red's job as an example. Immigrants who contribute, who invest, who spend and mix well. Control it, manage it and allow them only in the industries where they are needed. In other areas, using a very stringent criteria, allowing only the best, those who will invest considerably or have the necessary skills which are needed.

2) Europe warts and all, in the greater scheme of things benefitted the UK. Whether the EU benefitted more or the UK less, there was some benefit. Leaving the EU has to be looked in totality before it's embarked. Any option to leave should also have an option to return, if need be.

3) The welfare and benefit system is in dire need of reform. The problem is many are not prepared to let it go. Too many able persons are refusing to gain employment at the expense of welfare. And worse it's attracting immigrants.

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[Trickytreesreds]

Decent post and you are nearly there.
People must keep voting for UKIP to keep the pressure on.
To dismiss UKIP for the reasons you give, would simply allow the mainstream parties to revert to their agendas.
WE are the voters, they are supposed to do what we want, not what THEY want.
If reform is the goal, then this is the way. No one seriously wants UKIP to govern. However, what it does achieve, is the breakup of the cosy little boys clubs.

It's like a UNION negotiation. Decide on 3 things you want. Go in the office and ask for 10 things.
Let the boss beat you back down, to your original 3 things.
He thinks he's won, when in reality he's been shafted.

[Rapid]

Rapid - I think it's a good job sheeeeeep quit a few weeks ago or he'd be having palpitations by now

I'm pretty sure there would have been a post coming back that angry could only describe as...'poncey'.

[Rapid]

[quote="Romanis"]The facts of the matter are I think:

1) The UK needs immigrants and foreign workers. To do jobs that no one wants unless the pay is exorbitant - take Es***red's job as an example. Immigrants who contribute, who invest, who spend and mix well. Control it, manage it and allow them only in the industries where they are needed. In other areas, using a very stringent criteria, allowing only the best, those who will invest considerably or have the necessary skills which are needed.

2) Europe warts and all, in the greater scheme of things benefitted the UK. Whether the EU benefitted more or the UK less, there was some benefit. Leaving the EU has to be looked in totality before it's embarked. Any option to leave should also have an option to return, if need be.

3) The welfare and benefit system is in dire need of reform. The problem is many are not prepared to let it go. Too many able persons are refusing to gain employment at the expense of welf

[swaledale]

Oh great left wing bigotry. France is well on the way to becoming an Islamic state and we are not far behind. Plenty of theocratic Islamic society's around the world have far more in common with 1930s Germany than people who vote UKIP, 1) because a lot of Muslims actually want to kill Jews, along with homo***uals and apostates and 2) because having reservations about immigration having negative effects on the precise ways in which our society is not reminiscent of 1930s Germany is the total antithesis of nazism.

I remember listening to two Zimbabwean colleagues who had just found out one of their English colleagues was gay. They of course proceeded to say how sick it made them, hardly surprising considering it is illegal to be gay in their country. Still, multiculturalism, isn't it wonderful? And anyone who says otherwise, is of the "far right" or a nazi. Apparently.

I'm loather to further this debate, but really, haven't w

[Rapid]

Oh great left wing bigotry. France is well on the way to becoming an Islamic state and we are not far behind. Plenty of theocratic Islamic society's around the world have far more in common with 1930s Germany than people who vote UKIP, 1) because a lot of Muslims actually want to kill Jews, along with homo***uals and apostates and 2) because having reservations about immigration having negative effects on the precise ways in which our society is not reminiscent of 1930s Germany is the total antithesis of nazism.

I remember listening to two Zimbabwean colleagues who had just found out one of their English colleagues was gay. They of course proceeded to say how sick it made them, hardly surprising considering it is illegal to be gay in their country. Still, multiculturalism, isn't it wonderful? And anyone who says otherwise, is of the "far right" or a nazi. Apparently.

I find it am

[AdiSalisbury]

who are run by an upper class drunken twit and made up of racist idiots. The thought of them running the country is too scary to contemplate.

You could attribute that statement to any political leader, including our current prime minster.

People will vote for a party who they think stand for a certain issue, in this case, immigration. If enough people are voting for UKIP then the 2 main parties (I say 2, because the Lid Dems are supposedly in power now but not having any impact) will have to show that they are commited to this cause to win votes. It's nothing new, most people voted tory last time because they were voting for economic reasons.

Many of the people voting UKIP are not racists, and many will not actually want a UKIP government. They are not particuarly bothered that there is a fit German bird working in reception, or that their doctor has an Italian accent. They are fearful of the bad things that come with immigrat