O/T EU Vote In/Out

[Jormungand]

Phuckin hell

[Getintaethem]

I was up all night and I have to admit around 9am I had a "what the **** have we just done" moment. But I am now over that and looking forward to the future.

The EU as it stands is broken. It should never have been about politics only economics but we are where we are. The major issues with the EU are not going to go away overnight or easily such as the Euro, slow growth, undemocratic structures etc. The far right wing across Europe is just going to grow and grow. It just feeds off of social discontentment and the EU has done nothing but feed this. Could France actually vote in a far right leader next year? I would not bet against it. They do not have their problems to find that is for sure. Being pro European this pains me but these problems are systemic and we could never have solved them from within - proven by the small changes Cameron was able to negotiate. Hopefully, coming out will act as a catalyst for the countries remaining in the EU to tackle them. I have my doubts and that is why I believe others will almost certainly leave.

[gervaise_brookhampst]

Phuckin hell

I concur.

Wife's buisness is wholly reliable on the single market and the movement of goods in the eu, she will now lose her company because our country is being dragged out of the EU against our countries will. This is a nightmare

[neilthedon]

I concur.

Wife's buisness is wholly reliable on the single market and the movement of goods in the eu, she will now lose her company because our country is being dragged out of the EU against our countries will. This is a nightmare

Dinna panic min !! There will be ways around it all.

We all survived trading before EEC . We`ll survive after it.

After all, it`s only been a matter of hours so far. And there`s a two year exit schedule before it all kicks in ?

[Mason89]

Dinna panic min !! There will be ways around it all.

We all survived trading before EEC . We`ll survive after it.

After all, it`s only been a matter of hours so far. And there`s a two year exit schedule before it all kicks in ?

Any suggestions?

I'm not sure if it's really your place to tell people if they can panic or not.

[Brian Grantland]

Dinna panic min !! There will be ways around it all.

We all survived trading before EEC . We`ll survive after it.

After all, it`s only been a matter of hours so far. And there`s a two year exit schedule before it all kicks in ?

that was before globalisation and we still owned large swathes of the world.
one of the reasons we joined the eec was because that was ending.
if someone's job is reliant on trade with europe there will be a material change in their circumstances, costs and barriers to entry to european markets will exist.
only a fool would see it otherwise.

there is no phucking plan
these leave halfwits don't have one, or have you not been watching the news.

[gervaise_brookhampst]

Yup she may get a couple more years out of it hopefully, but when we leave the EU the service she does reporting goods movements within the EU becomes redundant.......That will be it .....tatties

[Getintaethem]

that was before globalisation and we still owned large swathes of the world.
one of the reasons we joined the eec was because that was ending.
if someone's job is reliant on trade with europe there will be a material change in their circumstances, costs and barriers to entry to european markets will exist.
only a fool would see it otherwise.

there is no phucking plan
these leave halfwits don't have one, or have you not been watching the news.

I cannot comment on the above example because the poster does not provide details of what the company is selling and what constraints etc. there are that are the issue here. I am happy to if this information is provided and I can provided. But in general jobs will not be at risk. This was even admitted by the Remain campaign's economic forecasts when they were not forecasting reduction in GDP but a reduction in the increase of GDP and no examples of specific jobs or industries going down were provided.

The major reason for joining the EEC was not in fact because we still owned vast swathes of the world it was because that world commerce was done in a high tariff environment. Joining the EEC was a way of stopping these high tariffs. Now we live in a world with low tariffs.

"if someone's job is reliant on trade with europe there will be a material change in their circumstances, costs and barriers to entry to european markets" - I assume you mean the EU here. How do you come to this conclusion? So, what you are saying here is any company that is not in the EU cannot trade with the EU because of all these issues and the people will lose their jobs. Should really tell that to the US with no trade deal, India, China whose trade with the EU is going up year on year... There are many Chinese companies that sell predominantly into the EU.

There is a plan and that plan is that the UK gets free trade access into the EU. There are a number of ways this could be achieved. The details of this need to be worked out. So what? Were all the details for Scottish Independence worked out before the referendum? It is actually better than that because if there is not an agreement around free trade (highly unlikely) we can use WTO rules as the worst case scenario.

With WTO rules jobs should not be at risk... or if it is then the company is so insecure financially that it would probably go under anyway. I do not know what the business is that this poster is talking about, but the change in the exchange rate between the UK and Euro today alone would easily offset this tariff. In fact, exchange rates go up and down all the time and businesses do not go out of business. I am not entirely sure why this business will go out of business because he does not explain the reasons behind why he believes this to be the case. The only conceivable way that it would be (without knowing something about the business) is if he is assuming that the market will close. If the business cannot handle 5% tariffs it certainly cannot handle the fluctuations in normal exchange rates between the £ and the €.

Regards

The HalfWit

[Getintaethem]

Yup she may get a couple more years out of it hopefully, but when we leave the EU the service she does reporting goods movements within the EU becomes redundant.......That will be it .....tatties

Ah, so this is a special case unlike the general case Brian was talking about.

Is it Intrastat reporting or good requiring licenses your wife is involved in or something else entirely?

[gervaise_brookhampst]

Yup Intrastat