O/T EU Vote In/Out

[Brian Grantland]

Arse has fair fallen out of the bold Brexit Boris

[actonsheep]

What gets my back up is folk (not on here) accusing me of being some right wing nationalist, wanting to see Nigel and his crew tearing foreigners from there homes, just because I voted out. I couldn't disagree with Farages views anymore if I tried. He is a moron and a down right Xenophobic cuunt. I voted for completely different reasons and I stand by them.

I'm sure your reasons were very noble, and I'd never accuse you of being racist, but it doesn't change the fact you backed a campaign whose central message was based on xenophobia and a fear of the other. This has now unleashed something this country simply can't deal with. Racists are empowered. People who have made their lives here now feel like aliens in their own homes. Our European friends are going to look at every single one of us and wonder if we voted for them, and their kin to be denied the right to live here. Relationships are being broken, lives are being ruined. These are real human costs, not numbers on a ticker tape.

I don't care terribly much about the cost to the economy, it will recover - the cost to our relationships with our european friends? Probably not so much.

Never in the history of ever, has a left wing movement gained control of a situation where its being led by the right, never. Labour deciding to eat itself just as a power vacuum emerges really doesn't help.

Lexit is a fine proposition, but it needed the right people, in the right place, at the right time. This wasn't it, and its likely the chance has gone - in the meantime we've gifted the country to a bunch of utter f'uckwits.

[Getintaethem]

Acton - I have real sympathy for your views.

I consider myself pro European and pro immigration. However, it is not xenophobic to wish to take back control to a certain degree who comes to this country. If that were the case then Australia, Japan, China, India, South Africa, America, Mexico, Cuba and the majority of countries are xenophobic. The language from both sides was terrible throughout and played on the fears of certain groups of the population. As one group made one claim, the other made another both getting more extreme as it went on. Remain played on fears around the economy which were so extreme that they became counter productive and Leave around immigration, which especially in the final three weeks dominated the debate. I found both over played and pretty repugnant.

Secondly, just because one group attaches themselves to a cause for their own ends does not make the cause illegitimate. The campaign to leave the EU in the UK started out as a left wing cause with the likes of Tony Benn. The evidence, right up to his death, is that he would have supported coming out of the EU. Immigration is a relatively new issue but for decades people have campaigned to leave the EU.

I made my decision mostly not on immigration but on democracy, the actions of the EU against democratically elected governments in Europe and the general direction the EU was taking. I find the EU to be pro big banks (their actions against Greece are in large around protecting huge banks!) and big multinational business. The Remain camp was largely funded by the large banks. This is hardly a left wing ideal.

[Getintaethem]

Corbyn grows a pair, Just sack Hilda Benn for plotting against him ! Pa Benn win be chuntin n duncin in his grave

I do have a sneaky admiration for Corbyn with all these resignations. Reminds me of the Billy Connolly story when his Dad had a stroke and he was paralysed down one side of his body and when he visited him in hospital he raised his non paralysed hand up to God and said "Is this the best you have ****ing got".

[Brian Grantland]

now whilst it is fair to say that not all leave voters are racist
it is also fair to say that all racists voted leave
they now feel emboldened and legitimised by the vote and are not hiding under rocks any more

[Barnared]

Barnared... just for you and all your **** posts...

GIFRUY.

Edit: I respect all other posters opinions on this subject and your votes.

Its not me you should be apologizing to....

[Stupie82]

now whilst it is fair to say that not all leave voters are racist
it is also fair to say that all racists voted leave
they now feel emboldened and legitimised by the vote and are not hiding under rocks any more

Is that the same as not all w@nkers are Celtic fans, but all Celtic fans are W@ankers :-)

[Brian Grantland]

Is that the same as not all w@nkers are Celtic fans, but all Celtic fans are W@ankers :-)

very same

[Barnared]

Well, well, well. Hodgson seems to be the only Englishman with a concise and coherent plan to take England out of Europe.

Phuked off out of Europe twice in a week. Beats the dhims record.

[Rochead]

Sturgeon has a better chance of getting us into Europe than Strachan.