O/T EU Vote In/Out

[ObanRed]

It's all going to kick off in England !! Some serious fecked up folk down there.

[Barnared]

It's all going to kick off in England !! Some serious fecked up folk down there.

Aye, it'll be carnage the night.

[ragnarok]

I'm sure your reasons were very noble, and I'd never accuse you of being racist, but it doesn't change the fact you backed a campaign whose central message was based on xenophobia and a fear of the other. This has now unleashed something this country simply can't deal with. Racists are empowered. People who have made their lives here now feel like aliens in their own homes. Our European friends are going to look at every single one of us and wonder if we voted for them, and their kin to be denied the right to live here. Relationships are being broken, lives are being ruined. These are real human costs, not numbers on a ticker tape.

I don't care terribly much about the cost to the economy, it will recover - the cost to our relationships with our european friends? Probably not so much.

Never in the history of ever, has a left wing movement gained control of a situation where its being led by the right, never. Labour deciding to eat itself just as a power vacuum emerges really doesn't help.

Lexit is a fine proposition, but it needed the right people, in the right place, at the right time. This wasn't it, and its likely the chance has gone - in the meantime we've gifted the country to a bunch of utter f'uckwits.

No offence but your post is mostly preening hysterical conjecture (not surprised to read something like this on here as I've been reading drivel far worse than this on social media since).

The UK is still one of the most tolerant and open countries in the world, regardless of how much it suits your prejudices and narrative to suggest that the contrary is true (not without its problems obviously...name me somewhere that is). Unfortunately there may be isolated cases of bigotry and violence towards minorities. Individuals and groups who perpetrate such acts should be brought to account before the law. We have enshrined protection of minorities within our legal system.

If the left ceded control of the debate to the right then that is a symptom of both incredibly weak leadership and the ambivalent and uninspiring position taken by the left wing elites with regards to Europe which was vastly at odds with the views of the people they purport to represent. Europe has been a pet project of the Left since Kinnock and the reason the Right has been able to take control of this debate is due to the fact that the Left has defined its position based on opposition to its enemies rather than taking a principled stance. And you appear to be proposing the same again. "I can see the merits of Lexit but it's more important that we oppose the Right wingers" <sigh>.

You can spend hours circle jerking over whether ordinary folk are angry over immigration or whether its really 'neoliberalism' or 'austerity' that is to blame. These are all symptoms of globalism. Immigration has affected the lives of ordinary people in parts of the country and trying to deflect that by blaming 'the Right' is just a way for the Left to absolve itself of responsibility.

But you are certainly right on one count - the Left is at risk of letting this incredibly significant period of change pass it by with negligible influence in its outcome. Once Corbyn is gone (which looks like it will happen sooner rather than later) Labour will need someone who is prepared to face the reality of the situation and take a pragmatic view of the Left's commitment towards the failing European project. If not (and the Tories manage to balls up the negotiations) I don't think you can rule out Labour making further losses to UKIP.

[Getintaethem]

Its not me you should be apologizing to....

I wasn't apologizing to you.

[Getintaethem]

Aye, it'll be carnage the night.

Do any of your predictions ever happen?

[Getintaethem]

No offence but your post is mostly preening hysterical conjecture (not surprised to read something like this on here as I've been reading drivel far worse than this on social media since).

The UK is still one of the most tolerant and open countries in the world, regardless of how much it suits your prejudices and narrative to suggest that the contrary is true (not without its problems obviously...name me somewhere that is). Unfortunately there may be isolated cases of bigotry and violence towards minorities. Individuals and groups who perpetrate such acts should be brought to account before the law. We have enshrined protection of minorities within our legal system.

If the left ceded control of the debate to the right then that is a symptom of both incredibly weak leadership and the ambivalent and uninspiring position taken by the left wing elites with regards to Europe which was vastly at odds with the views of the people they purport to represent. Europe has been a pet project of the Left since Kinnock and the reason the Right has been able to take control of this debate is due to the fact that the Left has defined its position based on opposition to its enemies rather than taking a principled stance. And you appear to be proposing the same again. "I can see the merits of Lexit but it's more important that we oppose the Right wingers" <sigh>.

You can spend hours circle jerking over whether ordinary folk are angry over immigration or whether its really 'neoliberalism' or 'austerity' that is to blame. These are all symptoms of globalism. Immigration has affected the lives of ordinary people in parts of the country and trying to deflect that by blaming 'the Right' is just a way for the Left to absolve itself of responsibility.

But you are certainly right on one count - the Left is at risk of letting this incredibly significant period of change pass it by with negligible influence in its outcome. Once Corbyn is gone (which looks like it will happen sooner rather than later) Labour will need someone who is prepared to face the reality of the situation and take a pragmatic view of the Left's commitment towards the failing European project. If not (and the Tories manage to balls up the negotiations) I don't think you can rule out Labour making further losses to UKIP.

Great post.

[Barnared]

As their world comes crashing down around them, the line is - "sorry folks that's not what we meant, you must have misunderstood!"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36641390

They're only a couple of days away from - "we didn't actually think you would all buy it"




@ Getintaethem, I'll give you 5 minutes to reply.....time starts.....NOW

[Barnared]

[vasilyrats86]

Will there be a referendum on the EEA

These fuds are unreal people in Hartlepool are disaffected

that should've been said as people in Hartlepool are disinfected

The amount of racist bile that exists in Febland is unreal hope we get away from them and their economy goes down the road awf Zimbabwe

Is Mugabe a Tory? He could oppose Boris

[Three_crazz]

Nigel Farage Keep up folkes