O/T SO – do you reckon we’re going to leave the European Union, then?

[Adventus2012]

Here are the interesting thoughts of Rod Liddle,

I’ve got my doubts. I know we had that wonderful vote last week — and there are luvvies across the country sobbing their little Remain hearts out.

Jean-Claude Juncker trying to play tough but serious politicians have a different agenda Tough, that’s democracy. Man up and get used to it, you big jessies.But still I’m not convinced we’re actually on the way out. And I’ll tell you why.
I don’t think Europe wants us to go, despite all the rhetoric.

There are luvvies across the country sobbing their little Remain hearts out And I don’t think Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are too keen on the idea, either — despite the fact they led the Leave campaign.Because here’s the thing. The unelected European Union bureaucrats certainly want us out.

The vile Luxembourgish President Jean-Claude Juncker loathes Britain for its long-standing opposition to greater integration.

He has a plan for Europe which involves the complete removal of the nation state. Fair enough, I suppose, if your nation state is as pitiful and third rate as Luxembourg. So he’s talking tough.

The Germans are making quiet overtures to us about the need for a nice, friendly trade deal in the wake of the referendum result And so is the sneery Pole, Donald Tusk, President of the European Council. And quite a lot of those MEPs, the ones who Ukip leader Nigel Farage harangues every week in Brussels.

That’s because they are all part of the fatuous project.Their jobs depend upon a strong European Union. An EU which needs to grow ever larger and acquire for itself even more powers.

Buoyed by the UK’s venture into democracy, citizens across Europe — from Athens to Amsterdam — are now demanding their right to have an In-Out referendum

But the mood among the continent’s PROPER politicians, not the gravy-train nonentities in Brussels, is very different.
Even the Germans are making quiet overtures to us about the need for a nice, friendly trade deal.
They are all scared stiff of two things. Firstly, we buy a lot more from the EU than we sell.

The European countries depend upon us as a huge market for their goods. They don’t want that jeopardised under any conditions. Especially not the Germans.

And secondly, and most importantly — they fear the complete disintegration of the EU.
Because buoyed by the UK’s venture into democracy, citizens across Europe — from Athens to Amsterdam — are now demanding their right to have an In-Out referendum.

There are now pleas for a staggering 34 referendums on all manner of EU topics. If just ONE of them takes place it would probably mean the end of the EU. In France, where anti-EU sentiment is growing.

Boris Johnson and Michael Gove aren’t keen on the idea, of Brexit either — despite leading the Leave campaign
Or in Sweden, where they are sick of being swamped by migrants. Or the Netherlands, which once embodied the liberal European ideal. Not anymore.

So it is entirely possible in this climate that the Conservative Government will get the concessions it previously wanted. Greater security over our borders. A limit on the previously non-negotiable “freedom of movement” within Europe.
And more than this — a reform of the EU. Its bureaucracy cut down. Its meddling in state affairs curtailed. Idiots like Juncker given the boot.

Either that or the European Union might well cease to exist before we’ve even had a chance to leave it.
That would be ironic, no?

Either way, this issue is far from cut and dried.

[KerrAvon]

Nonsense.

[Adventus2012]

Here is the link now i've remembered how to do it!!!! I think the above is somewhat lost with copy and paste!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/136466...uld-be-ironic/

[hotun]

Dont tell me you believe anything that is written in The Sun

[Adventus2012]

No pal, just though his point of view was an interesting one, but not one I necessarily agree with. In fact for me it gives a great insight into the opposing opinions surrounding the brexit vote. I find the whole thing fascinating.

BTW I wouldn't buy the sun and I don't always believe everything written in any of the tabloid papers, but I do have an open mind to all possibilities.

UTM

[hotun]

Democratic vote everyone of voting age had their chance to vote,exit won end of and the result has to be respected and acted on by triggering article 50,I dont like Cameron but at least he is sticking to his guns,it was a UK vote and our exit will be negotiated on behalf of all of the UK.

[Adventus2012]

Democratic vote everyone of voting age had their chance to vote,exit won end of and the result has to be respected and acted on by triggering article 50,I dont like Cameron but at least he is sticking to his guns,it was a UK vote and our exit will be negotiated on behalf of all of the UK.

Spot on hotun, I totally agree mate, bring on article 50, democracy has spoken!

[great_fire]

We'll leave but stay in the EEA, and therefore still paying in, but they'll compromise on free movement of labour because they need our money to keep the gravy train going.

[sawmiller]

There is treatment available for Paranoia

[crashbang]

Yes , If you didn't realise there has been a referendum.
And the leave vote nudged it. Much to my delight.