O/T SO – do you reckon we’re going to leave the European Union, then?

[stevemiller]

I suppose the value of my retirement home has gone the right way if converted back to GBP. I did move a lump sum over back in January which has turned out to be the best rate for years.
What will be will be. At least I won't need a new warm coat every year, so a saving there as well.

[Redshank]

There's no doubt we're going to leave; there will be no back-tracking. Whoever ends up having press the button and invoke article 50 shouldn't underestimate the depth of anti EU feeling in the UK. We hear a lot about "Regrexit" voters who wish they'd voted to stay in, but what about all the waverers who bottled it at the last minute and voted Remain? I know quite a few who are anti EU but, due to all the constant doom mongering, changed their mind under sufferance and reluctantly voted Remain. The ones I've spoken to since are reasonably happy with the outcome. There's never anything on the BBC about these types!

There's a lot of posturing from Juncker etc. but there's some serious clout outside the EU now. The UK could, for instance, negotiate a trade alliance with Norway. Throw in Iceland and Switzerland and all of a sudden we're holding some strong cards. There's a long way to go but it's already interesting to listen to dyed in the wool pro EU types (e.g. Kenneth Clarke) discuss how we move things forward outside the EU.

Like somebody said further up the thread "politics has never been so interesting."

[monty_rhodes]

Some valid points there, Redshank. A wide range of people here voted out and don't regret it. They weren't influenced by Boris or Farage or by daft NHS promises on the side of buses. They are concerned about immigration and so am I and everyone I know was flabbergasted when that d*ck Boris suddenly says it's not about immigration and we can stay in the single market and accept free movement!!! No way for me.

[RawmarshMiller]

I hope we don't leave. Voted remain, supported remain all along and still feel strongly we should remain.

The amount of hatred and vitriol directed at "immigrants" because they "take all our jobs and benefits" is truly sickening. The xenophobia and hatred the referendum has created is a cancer our society needs gone quickly.

As for Adolf Hit.. er Nigel Farage, the man is a parasite the just whips up hatred - a truly nasty, despicable human being.

[Redshank]

I hope we don't leave. Voted remain, supported remain all along and still feel strongly we should remain.

The amount of hatred and vitriol directed at "immigrants" because they "take all our jobs and benefits" is truly sickening. The xenophobia and hatred the referendum has created is a cancer our society needs gone quickly.

As for Adolf Hit.. er Nigel Farage, the man is a parasite the just whips up hatred - a truly nasty, despicable human being.

Do you work for the BBC?
The establishment would like us to believe that every LEAVE voter is either a bigoted pensioner or an angry young man with swastika tattoo!

[John2]

Do you work for the BBC?
The establishment would like us to believe that every LEAVE voter is either a bigoted pensioner or an angry young man with swastika tattoo!

Of course they're not, but you'd have to stick your head in the sand to think there hasn't been a rise in openly racist abuse.

Do you think the BBC and other should ignore the rise of racist abuse?

[great_fire]

Of course they're not, but you'd have to stick your head in the sand to think there hasn't been a rise in openly racist abuse.

Do you think the BBC and other should ignore the rise of racist abuse?

I doubt there has, most of it has been reported by NGOs trying to justify their existence.

[John2]

The rise has been reported by police, not NGOs.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/01/bbc-pr...-home-5978396/

Your head is clearly in the sand.

[sawmiller]

Didn't see the Youtube vid of the attack on a foreign person on the tram in Manchester I take it? Or is this the new and acceptable norm? Attacks and abuse on anyone simply based on race or other feature by anyone diminishes all of us - whoever does it.

[S8_Miller]

and yet, an alternative take.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...1#.V3YrVbgrLIU