OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Gaspode]

Sorry but none of you are addressing the issue here.....

Actually, an awful lot of people on here are addressing the issue - just because their answer doesn't tally with the one you want to hear doesn't mean they're not addressing it.....

[BaaLocks]

No one can even say the out come of leaving until negotiations are concluded.

And my misery is complete, not only have I quoted Ed Milliband today but I have now ruined my weekend by realising I am in agreement with, well, one of them.

[ramAnag]

Tricky...don't you think your first sentence is just a tad patronising?

To take your other points in order.

1. Then what on earth was the point of the referendum. If all you say about the public and politicians is true what was the point?

2. I have never argued that 34% is more representative than 37%. It would be insane to do so, but the fact is that a massive level of change may be about to be imposed on our country without the approval of 63% of the electorate. How is that right?

3. I know politicians lie - as I think Roger suggested...I've seen their lips moving. Which bit of that means I have to continue to accept the situation?

4. It simply isn't fair to hark back to the seventies to suggest that, because of what it has become, that everyone was 'conned' about the Common Market. You say yourself, 'back then...the idea was sound', if that was the case then you can't have it both ways. I'm no more in favour of increased bureaucracy and federalisation than you are but, as I'm sick and tired of repeating...it is much easier to change something you are a part of than something you exclude yourself from.

[Ram59]

Kinda proves my point, most of the leavers realise that when things settle down, it'll be better without much disruption.

Whereas, the remainers have been intimidated into believing the world will come to an end should they vote to leave. 2 months on there should be more evidence of a total apocalypse, rather than the pound dropping against the dollar.

[ramAnag]

Actually, an awful lot of people on here are addressing the issue - just because their answer doesn't tally with the one you want to hear doesn't mean they're not addressing it.....

Not if the issue is...'we shouldn't be imposing this level of change on any country without being clear exactly what we mean by it'...they're not.

[AngryRam]

Ramanag- you mean well but folks are never going to see it the way you do. For me-
1. people on both sides don't have a full understanding and never will have. The politicians can't tell you, cos they don't know. No one can even say the out come of leaving until negotiations are concluded, so how can you debate that? Most folks looked at their own lives and what the EU means/does to them. I didn't like the way it's going politically and the surge in migrants locally effecting jobs/houses etc.
2.37% does not represent the people, but the 34% remain doesn't either? It's not our fault that those who didn't vote, didn't.
Every election has a cut off point. It was reached and that's that. Had the vote been the other way, would you be arguing the same fact?
3. All politicians tell lies. If you have a brain, you know that.
Personally, if I was you, have a look at project fear more than your usual victim of Grove and the NHS, or Farage's poster.
We have been lied to since day one. My own parents still fume to this day how Heath conned everyone.
We joined a common market, not a "political union" of unification. Back than it was 9, quite powerful countries, the idea was sound. Since then, only Darth Vader and the Emperor were missing, as the Empire stretched out it's hand.

Like...

[AngryRam]

4. It simply isn't fair to hark back to the seventies to suggest that, because of what it has become, that everyone was 'conned' about the Common Market. You say yourself, 'back then...the idea was sound', if that was the case then you can't have it both ways. I'm no more in favour of increased bureaucracy and federalisation than you are but, as I'm sick and tired of repeating...it is much easier to change something you are a part of than something you exclude yourself from.

Arghhhh !!! I give up !

[ramAnag]

Arghhhh !!! I give up !

Result!

[AngryRam]

Not if the issue is...'we shouldn't be imposing this level of change on any country without being clear exactly what we mean by it'...they're not.

Arghhhh !!! So why should we have been subjected to staying without knowing extactly what it means??>
It's a non question becuase it is unanswerable either way. Move on, it has no relevance now.

[Trickytreesreds]

And my misery is complete, not only have I quoted Ed Milliband today but I have now ruined my weekend by realising I am in agreement with, well, one of them.

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