I voted yes....but felt like I'd been kicked in the ba's the day

[stewarty27]

Bodie's reasons for rejecting Independence.

We're are a pathetic bunch of basket cases barely capable of getting out of bed in the morning.

But much more than that.. Those who aspire to make this a better country for all are

DISGUSTING !!

[Bodie80]

Bodie's reasons for rejecting Independence.

We're are a pathetic bunch of basket cases barely capable of getting out of bed in the morning.

But much more than that.. Those who aspire to make this a better country for all are

DISGUSTING !!

What bullsh1t. Why are you turning into such an idiot towards me ? I thought you were better than that.

What is disgusting is the SNP rejecting the will of us and are wanting to put us all through another divisive referendum when they should be putting all their efforts into running the country, not ruining it.

Look at this board, all the hatred from both sides. Multiply that many times over and that is what is happening all over Scotland.

[Bodie80]

Bodie you are the as huge a unionist with nearly the same dislike!e as noarab so NOTHING we ever will say will change your thoughts

But will say this you are at least a gentleman of this board unlike your unionist friend Paddy .

You are better posting over the road as I feel it will end up just a political board full of stalemate and even fewer posters on here they are leaving because of the likes of your hate filled friend ..

Just look at his abusive rude replies even though you may agree with his Politics I'm sorry to say this but he comes across as not all there .

Thank you for calling me a gentleman
You are right nothing I see or hear will change my mind. Infact as time goes on my mind is getting even stronger towards the unionist side.
Noah is a good lad and an interesting poster. He is not hate filled Buc, he is passionate and doesn't take fools gladly.

[noahrab]

Thank you for calling me a gentleman
You are right nothing I see or hear will change my mind. Infact as time goes on my mind is getting even stronger towards the unionist side.
Noah is a good lad and an interesting poster. He is not hate filled Buc, he is passionate and doesn't take fools gladly.

Stuartie and the other dafty are two of the biggest fools on here.

People like them with closed minds are what hold our country back.

[stewarty27]

More deflection. I'll type the next bit slowly to see if you can understand it any easier and to see if you can answer the question.

How would an iScotland deal with near 15bn hole in our finances?

You really are one dence dunderheid. You cannot compare Scotland under the current constitutional framework. to an Independent Scotland ! There is only a deficit because of the £68 billion charged against Scotland over £28 billion relates to "other uk expenditure". Within that number we get charged £3 billion for defence but only £1.3 billion is spent in Scotland, Do you understand that ?!!! For 32 years in a row Scotland produced a surplus its only since t5he oil slump and the total mismanagement of that sector by the UK Gov has this deficit appeared, We would manage our economy very differently to the UK THATS THE WHOLE PHUCKING POINT OF INDEPENDENCE !! Jezz o how can one man's mind so locked and frozen.

Now read this very slowly Paddy. as its the final answer I'll give to your tedious repetitive childlike haverings.

Scotland is a very wealthy country. We would not need to deal with Deficits. could give you the facts and figures but they would just go over your head,

[JackSnakes]

More deflection. I'll type the next bit slowly to see if you can understand it any easier and to see if you can answer the question.

How would an iScotland deal with near 15bn hole in our finances?

"Deal with"...
Interesting choice of words - "deal with"... "manage" "repay"... all very different, and I know you are a guy who likes to pin posters down on the exact wording they have used so you obviously do not mean "How would an iScotland repay the near 15bn hole in our finances?"...
The fact is that Scotland has debt just as all other countries have debt. It is rarely repaid but is managed.
Semantics aside, (I know they are your thing but they bore the erse off me...), Scotland's debt to GDP ratio has increased to a level higher than that of the rest of the United Kingdom.
Whether someone is for or against independence, there is no denying that reckless spending that cannot be sustained is not a policy that should be pursued.
Now, all this notwithstanding, it is actually rather difficult to pin down a figure here - one rag says it is twice the rUK figure, another three times the rUK figure, and all are reporting this as if it was the end of the world. It is plainly not but it is a major concern, and SHOULD be a major concern to those advocating independence.
I do not think that it is unreasonable to ask the question as to why Scotland's deficit (as a % of GDP) has grown so large, and what steps the Scottish government have taken, and/or are taking to either reduce it or to stop it from increasing.

[noahrab]

"Deal with"...
Interesting choice of words - "deal with"... "manage" "repay"... all very different, and I know you are a guy who likes to pin posters down on the exact wording they have used so you obviously do not mean "How would an iScotland repay the near 15bn hole in our finances?"...
The fact is that Scotland has debt just as all other countries have debt. It is rarely repaid but is managed.
Semantics aside, (I know they are your thing but they bore the erse off me...), Scotland's debt to GDP ratio has increased to a level higher than that of the rest of the United Kingdom.
Whether someone is for or against independence, there is no denying that reckless spending that cannot be sustained is not a policy that should be pursued.
Now, all this notwithstanding, it is actually rather difficult to pin down a figure here - one rag says it is twice the rUK figure, another three times the rUK figure, and all are reporting this as if it was the end of the world. It is plainly not but it is a major concern, and SHOULD be a major concern to those advocating independence.
I do not think that it is unreasonable to ask the question as to why Scotland's deficit (as a % of GDP) has grown so large, and what steps the Scottish government have taken, and/or are taking to either reduce it or to stop it from increasing.

All I want is to know what an iScotland would/could do to mitigate/repay/deal with/manage, call it what you will, WITHOUT the independence at any cost posters trying to bat it away by blaming someone else for it.

As you say, for those advocating independence, to convince No/undecided voters it should be a major concern.

Saying 'a big boy did it and ran away' won't wash.

[JackSnakes]

All I want is to know what an iScotland would/could do to mitigate/repay/deal with/manage, call it what you will, WITHOUT the independence at any cost posters trying to bat it away by blaming someone else for it.

As you say, for those advocating independence, to convince No/undecided voters it should be a major concern.

Saying 'a big boy did it and ran away' won't wash.

It is a concern - of that there should be no question. having a deficit/gdp ration similar to that of the Congo does not scream "prudent financial management".
Now, I am absolutely certain that this will have been discussed at governmental level - there may even be policies or actions that have come out of these discussions - but it would seem that they are not generally available.
I think it is perfectly acceptable, given that there is no credible opposition party in Scotland, for the people to ask the question.

[Hairdrier]

Scotland's biggest problem is it's excessive reliance on the public sector - where will the funds for that come from if we became independent (which we won't)?

[stewarty27]

"Deal with"...
Interesting choice of words - "deal with"... "manage" "repay"... all very different, and I know you are a guy who likes to pin posters down on the exact wording they have used so you obviously do not mean "How would an iScotland repay the near 15bn hole in our finances?"...
The fact is that Scotland has debt just as all other countries have debt. It is rarely repaid but is managed.
Semantics aside, (I know they are your thing but they bore the erse off me...), Scotland's debt to GDP ratio has increased to a level higher than that of the rest of the United Kingdom.
Whether someone is for or against independence, there is no denying that reckless spending that cannot be sustained is not a policy that should be pursued.
Now, all this notwithstanding, it is actually rather difficult to pin down a figure here - one rag says it is twice the rUK figure, another three times the rUK figure, and all are reporting this as if it was the end of the world. It is plainly not but it is a major concern, and SHOULD be a major concern to those advocating independence.
I do not think that it is unreasonable to ask the question as to why Scotland's deficit (as a % of GDP) has grown so large, and what steps the Scottish government have taken, and/or are taking to either reduce it or to stop it from increasing.

That's all very good and well Jack but we don't have the tools powers and means to manage it. This is one of the key planks to Independence.