8% of football fans would stop watching their team if a player 'came out'

[KerrAvon]

Isn't it a bit worrying that the conversation turns from prejudice against gay people to HIV? Isn't that assumption of a link a part of what drives 'homophobia'.

Given the myths and prejudice that attaches to HIV, I can well understand why some people with the infection choose to keep it secret.

[millertop]

I've done extensive first aid training, but only in the US, I don't know the difference here.

However the first aid training basic insists you ALWAYS use protective gloves and never make contact with any blood borne pathogens. It's the same reason "magic sponges" were outlawed. If you administer first aid without protection you're choosing to take on a risk.

I worked with groups affected by HIV/AIDS while I was in the US... children, adults, all walks of life, they look just the same as anyone else and deserve to be treated just like anyone else.

HIV these days is a lot less serious of a condition than it was, and the social stigma is in many cases bigger than the illness itself. It is perfectly within anyone's rights to keep their medical conditions private, and I assume most if actively bleeding would advise people to take the appropriate precautions.

I once had to treat a child with a nose bleed who was with one of the groups, I had cuts all over my hand from a boating incident, I used gloves as I always would, and I was fine.

You knew their conditions?

IMO it should be law that an employer should know the medical history of their employees , it could be ***** in saving their lives and also not putting others a risk.

I want to help them straight away not having to think and ask before I try to help them

It's gone slightly off topic Cam

[caytonmiller]

Kerr Avon. I think it's the opposite. Ignorance is why most people with HIV choose to keep it quiet. Only by talking about it can people who are not in the know be educated. But I get your point if your referring to stereotyping

[frogmiller]

Kerr Avon. I think it's the opposite. Ignorance is why most people with HIV choose to keep it quiet. Only by talking about it can people who are not in the know be educated. But I get your point if your referring to stereotyping

Can the only way to stop homophobia is for gay men to be out.

They'll be brave men to do it but the only way to stop the chanting against black footballers was to recognise it and prosicute people for doing it.

Can the people who are shouting doing it out of prosumption or mocking someone because of their actions? If that person was out would they shout the same?

[Pocket rocket]

Why does anyone need to come out?

Its not important if they are good enough that's all that matters.

[caytonmiller]

Can the only way to stop homophobia is for gay men to be out.

i was talking more about educating the 8%. i would say a good 75% of those 8% is through ignorance. the other 25% (2%) are jst lard heads...

TBH i think we have at least one gay player playing for RUFC. does it matter? not to me.
I have spoken to him several times and as a person he is a really decent bloke. polite. well mannered and has time for every millers fan who approaches him. in fact i spoke to him at bramall lane and he was the same then so guess you dont have to be a millers fan for him to be polite

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Educate the 8% or brainwash the 8% ?

It's a fine line.

[frogmiller]

Why does anyone need to come out?

Its not important if they are good enough that's all that matters.

I totally agree. Peoples ***uallity is their own business.

My point is that someone is less likely to call names to someone if they know someone is gay rather than if they suspect. In the same way the person who is out is more likely to be openly defended if he was out.

Strange logic but it's mine.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Caytonmillers comment is interesting in that he knows a gay millers player. It's not something I personally have never thought about to want to identify one, such is it's unimportance.

[Archiemiller]

i was talking more about educating the 8%. i would say a good 75% of those 8% is through ignorance. the other 25% (2%) are jst lard heads...

TBH i think we have at least one gay player playing for RUFC. does it matter? not to me.
I have spoken to him several times and as a person he is a really decent bloke. polite. well mannered and has time for every millers fan who approaches him. in fact i spoke to him at bramall lane and he was the same then so guess you dont have to be a millers fan for him to be polite

It must be CAMP.