OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Why is it totally irrelevant and how am I 'clutching at straws' then mista?
Isn't this the gospel according to Brexit? Obama speaks out about Brexit = Bad. Trump speaks out about Brexit = Good. Brexit stands for the sovereignty of Parliament = Good. The Courts defend the sovereignty of Parliament in having some input into the terms of Brexit = Bad. Remainers argue against Brexit = Bad. Brexiteers suggest taking to the streets to protest against the High Court decision = Good. Remainers criticise the Brexit decision = 'bunch of moaners'. The far right, including some Brexiteers, mock Jo Cox's 'successor' and frighten Gina Miller's family = 'well these things happen'.
If you can't see the double standards and hypocrisy in that little lot then I fear you must be the 'straw clutcher'.

[ramspride]

Like him or loathe him, Farage set out to achieve one massive goal many years ago, and he's achieved it. IMO he managed to do the opposite of what you say, he managed to attach a groundswell of dissatisfaction to his cause, to meet the ends he sought. Such mobilisation of the populace is what all politicians seek, he's just better at it than most.

Well said Andy

[ramspride]

Oh dear it looks like we've swapped one project fear Chancellor to another. Hammond says because of Brexit this country will be trillions worse off in a few years time. That's assuming that we don't do any trade with the EU or any other country in the world. Oh he missed that bit out. The B(EU)BC also said that the country will loose millions from taxes that immigrants, who work here, currently pay. Assuming I take it that the jobs that they currently do are not taken by any people in this country. The end is nigh.

[swaledale]

Oh dear it looks like we've swapped one project fear Chancellor to another. Hammond says because of Brexit this country will be trillions worse off in a few years time. That's assuming that we don't do any trade with the EU or any other country in the world. Oh he missed that bit out. The B(EU)BC also said that the country will loose millions from taxes that immigrants, who work here, currently pay. Assuming I take it that the jobs that they currently do are not taken by any people in this country. The end is nigh.

The economics are simple, falling pound equals higher costs equals slow down in growth, whether it will be as bad as forecast is open to question but all the economic indicators are poor at the moment, so he is being cautious.

Who knows what the terms of trade with the Eu will be, but what is a fact is e won't be replacing our trade with the Eu by trade with other countries in the medium term, I'm struggling to think what we sell which other countries want for a start!

If there were the people available in this country to take the jobs that will be left vacant if we dont have immigrants we would not have needed the in the first place would we? Where are all these willing Uk citizens deprived of jobs by Eu migrants? because over the last 10 years I've encountered precious few or perhaps they don't apply for jobs because they know the migrants will get employed and they wont? Or maybe there isn't they aren't there?

Is the end nigh? No but this country has scored a massive economic own goal with Brexit and that will hit the very people who voted for it, as they will find out over the next few years, its simple economics which seems to evade most people.

[swaledale]

Why is it totally irrelevant and how am I 'clutching at straws' then mista?
Isn't this the gospel according to Brexit? Obama speaks out about Brexit = Bad. Trump speaks out about Brexit = Good. Brexit stands for the sovereignty of Parliament = Good. The Courts defend the sovereignty of Parliament in having some input into the terms of Brexit = Bad. Remainers argue against Brexit = Bad. Brexiteers suggest taking to the streets to protest against the High Court decision = Good. Remainers criticise the Brexit decision = 'bunch of moaners'. The far right, including some Brexiteers, mock Jo Cox's 'successor' and frighten Gina Miller's family = 'well these things happen'.
If you can't see the double standards and hypocrisy in that little lot then I fear you must be the 'straw clutcher'.

A large LIKE, but of course they don't see the hypocrisy, in fact they dont see the facts at all!

[swaledale]

ramAnag. Totally irrelevant there is no vacancy bet your hands are aching clutching all those straws 😄😄

No my heads aching at the inability of people to understand reality, still wait a few years and IF we do a hard Brexit (which I don't believe we will, it would be economic suicide) then reality will smack people hard in the face!

[Ram59]

Nobody can say it will be an economic success or disaster, because there has been no negotiation yet.

Is there anyone on here who is that confident that they will be proved right in ten years time that they will give their house to charity, if proved wrong?

[Andy_Faber]

The economics are simple, falling pound equals higher costs .

I think this sums up the soothesaying remoaner viewpoint that the UK would be much better without.

1. Comparing yesterday's £/Euro rate (1.18 ish) with a week before the vote (1.23 ish), that's a 4.2% difference, and in any normal five month period that would be no great cause for concern , basically 'lost in the rounding' for industry, especially that part of industry that hedges its Foreign Currency

2. In the last 22 days the rate has gone up 7%

3. Looking historically, on August 1st 2013 the rate was 1.14, 3% worse than it is now, and I don't recall anyone panicking then, OR blaming it on BEING in the EU

Lets pop the odd fact into the mix occasionally

And remember, I voted Remain

[Andy_Faber]

Mind you millions of germans thought Hitler had the answer to their problems so one can't be surprised I suppose!

I keep hearing this comparison too (not just from you) and I think its both distasteful and a bit desperate.

[ramAnag]

I keep hearing this comparison too (not just from you) and I think its both distasteful and a bit desperate.

I honestly would have agreed with your views on such a comparison until recently Andy but things have changed over the last few weeks and months. I think we are both reasonable men, you further to the right and me further to the left of centre, but ultimately both 'reasonable'. Unfortunately some of the post Brexit behaviour and, more disturbingly, what has been said by Trump and his supporters suggests the comparison may no longer be quite so far fetched.